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  #41  
Old January 4th 05, 08:25 AM
Skip Elliott Bowman
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"Cory Dunkle" > wrote in message
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> "Skip Elliott Bowman" > wrote in message
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>> There doesn't seem to be a website for the Haddon Township PD, so I went

> to
>> the NJSP website and found this link to filing complaints:
>>
>> http://www.state.nj.us/lps/njsp/comp/complain.html
>>
>> Among other guidelines, it says: "The Office of Professional Standards

> will
>> thoroughly investigate all reports of misconduct by troopers regardless
>> of
>> the source. Anyone who files a complaint against a trooper will be
>> treated
>> with courtesy and respect."
>>
>> If you were treated rudely, you have legal recourse.

>
> Thanks for the link. If you are cirous here is the Haddon Twp PD website.
> It's pretty useless.
> http://www.haddontwp.com/police.php


Thanks, Cory.


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  #42  
Old January 4th 05, 04:57 PM
Cory Dunkle
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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:48:31 -0500, "Cory Dunkle" >
> wrote:
>
> >I went in to the police station today. Seemed to stir up some commotion

when
> >I talked to the woman behind the glass. She told me to wait and the
> >Leutenant would come talk to me shortly. Then a cop walked out adn asked

if
> >I was being helped, I said yes, I was waiting for the Leutenant who was
> >going to speak to me. The cop asked waht it was about so I politely told

him
> >what I saw. He got very defensive and asked how I knew he didn't go out

on a
> >call and it was cancelled. I explained that the cop waited at the next

red
> >light, and that no matter which way you slice it running a red light and
> >doing twice the speed limit in a residential zone is reckless. He didn't
> >like that and told me no it was not reckless or unsafe, then walked away.
> >
> >A minute or two Later the Leutenant came out adn brought me to his

office. I
> >explained what I saw and gave him the license plate number, time, and
> >location. He seemed understanding, but again asked how I knew he wasn't

on a
> >call that was cancelled.

>
> "I don't know, Lieutenant - but YOU do. You have access to your
> dispatch records, so you'll know if the officer in question was on a
> call or not at the time I observed him. Go look at your dispatch logs
> and take it from there."


When I gave him the date, time and location I did mention that he could
check to see if the officer actually was on call. He seemed polite and
respectful, and I hope he does do something about the situation. Even if the
officer was on call, he was still behaving dangerously and recklessly. As
far as I'm concerned, it's a moot point as to whether the officer was on
call. If he wasn't, he should not have been running red lights and doing
twice the limit in a residential zone with familys out and about. If he was,
he should have at least had his lights on, and probably should have used his
siren when running the red light.

Cory


  #43  
Old January 4th 05, 04:57 PM
Cory Dunkle
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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 13:48:31 -0500, "Cory Dunkle" >
> wrote:
>
> >I went in to the police station today. Seemed to stir up some commotion

when
> >I talked to the woman behind the glass. She told me to wait and the
> >Leutenant would come talk to me shortly. Then a cop walked out adn asked

if
> >I was being helped, I said yes, I was waiting for the Leutenant who was
> >going to speak to me. The cop asked waht it was about so I politely told

him
> >what I saw. He got very defensive and asked how I knew he didn't go out

on a
> >call and it was cancelled. I explained that the cop waited at the next

red
> >light, and that no matter which way you slice it running a red light and
> >doing twice the speed limit in a residential zone is reckless. He didn't
> >like that and told me no it was not reckless or unsafe, then walked away.
> >
> >A minute or two Later the Leutenant came out adn brought me to his

office. I
> >explained what I saw and gave him the license plate number, time, and
> >location. He seemed understanding, but again asked how I knew he wasn't

on a
> >call that was cancelled.

>
> "I don't know, Lieutenant - but YOU do. You have access to your
> dispatch records, so you'll know if the officer in question was on a
> call or not at the time I observed him. Go look at your dispatch logs
> and take it from there."


When I gave him the date, time and location I did mention that he could
check to see if the officer actually was on call. He seemed polite and
respectful, and I hope he does do something about the situation. Even if the
officer was on call, he was still behaving dangerously and recklessly. As
far as I'm concerned, it's a moot point as to whether the officer was on
call. If he wasn't, he should not have been running red lights and doing
twice the limit in a residential zone with familys out and about. If he was,
he should have at least had his lights on, and probably should have used his
siren when running the red light.

Cory


  #44  
Old January 4th 05, 05:45 PM
Cory Dunkle
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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:57:01 -0500, "Cory Dunkle" >
> wrote:
>
> >> "I don't know, Lieutenant - but YOU do. You have access to your
> >> dispatch records, so you'll know if the officer in question was on a
> >> call or not at the time I observed him. Go look at your dispatch logs
> >> and take it from there."

> >
> >When I gave him the date, time and location I did mention that he could
> >check to see if the officer actually was on call. He seemed polite and
> >respectful, and I hope he does do something about the situation.

>
> And that is pretty much the limit of what you can accomplish directly.
> Unless you can document a pattern of such abuses, in which case the
> local news media will become interested in your research.
>
> I commend you for taking the time and effort to report this incident.
> Most people wouldn't bother.


Thanks. I figure I've not bothered enough time that this one was too much
and too easy. The cop was sitting right there in front of me at the next
light so I had a clear view of his plate number. If people don't report this
sort of thing cops will think they can do wahtever they want with no
repercussions for their reckless behavior. They are there to serve the
public and keep the roads and towns safe. Sometimes they seem to forget
that, and who pays their salary.

Cory


  #45  
Old January 4th 05, 05:45 PM
Cory Dunkle
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"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 10:57:01 -0500, "Cory Dunkle" >
> wrote:
>
> >> "I don't know, Lieutenant - but YOU do. You have access to your
> >> dispatch records, so you'll know if the officer in question was on a
> >> call or not at the time I observed him. Go look at your dispatch logs
> >> and take it from there."

> >
> >When I gave him the date, time and location I did mention that he could
> >check to see if the officer actually was on call. He seemed polite and
> >respectful, and I hope he does do something about the situation.

>
> And that is pretty much the limit of what you can accomplish directly.
> Unless you can document a pattern of such abuses, in which case the
> local news media will become interested in your research.
>
> I commend you for taking the time and effort to report this incident.
> Most people wouldn't bother.


Thanks. I figure I've not bothered enough time that this one was too much
and too easy. The cop was sitting right there in front of me at the next
light so I had a clear view of his plate number. If people don't report this
sort of thing cops will think they can do wahtever they want with no
repercussions for their reckless behavior. They are there to serve the
public and keep the roads and towns safe. Sometimes they seem to forget
that, and who pays their salary.

Cory


  #46  
Old January 4th 05, 07:11 PM
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In article >, says...

>A minute or two Later the Leutenant came out adn brought me to his office. I
>explained what I saw and gave him the license plate number, time, and
>location. He seemed understanding, but again asked how I knew he wasn't on a
>call that was cancelled.


You should have said, 'You are right he might have been. I would feel much
better if you could show me the logs to confirm your assumption.' . Then
see what he says.

>So I explained to him it was reckless and unsafe to
>be running red light and doing those speeds in a residetial zone without at
>least his lights on, particularly since there were familys out and about
>walking through town. What if someone walked out to cross the street, or a
>child? A car doing 50 MPH will come up on a pedestrian real quick, and if
>there are no lights or siren to warn those ahead it is not very visible and
>not always easy to tell the car is doing twice the speed cars typically do
>on such a street.


You are asking them to be reasonable.

>He seemed to understand, and asked what I wanted done about it. I told him I
>didn't want to make a big deal over it or anything, just that I would like
>it if he would talk to the officer in question about the incident and try to
>not have such things happen. Basically I just don't want to see that kind of
>reckless driving, especially when there are children around and the roads
>are wet like the other night. We left it at that and he said he'd find out
>who it was and talk to him.


You should have asked him to give you a follow up call.

>In any case, I hope something is done about the reckless driving, it's
>relaly an issue that needs to be addressed. Whenever a police officer is
>breaking the law his lights and possibly siren should be on. There are
>exceptions, but they are few and far between.


You see since they enforce the laws, there is really no one who will tell
them when they are wrong. So they like to 'bend' the rules because they
don't expect anyone to complain.
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  #47  
Old January 4th 05, 07:11 PM
Alex Rodriguez
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In article >, says...

>A minute or two Later the Leutenant came out adn brought me to his office. I
>explained what I saw and gave him the license plate number, time, and
>location. He seemed understanding, but again asked how I knew he wasn't on a
>call that was cancelled.


You should have said, 'You are right he might have been. I would feel much
better if you could show me the logs to confirm your assumption.' . Then
see what he says.

>So I explained to him it was reckless and unsafe to
>be running red light and doing those speeds in a residetial zone without at
>least his lights on, particularly since there were familys out and about
>walking through town. What if someone walked out to cross the street, or a
>child? A car doing 50 MPH will come up on a pedestrian real quick, and if
>there are no lights or siren to warn those ahead it is not very visible and
>not always easy to tell the car is doing twice the speed cars typically do
>on such a street.


You are asking them to be reasonable.

>He seemed to understand, and asked what I wanted done about it. I told him I
>didn't want to make a big deal over it or anything, just that I would like
>it if he would talk to the officer in question about the incident and try to
>not have such things happen. Basically I just don't want to see that kind of
>reckless driving, especially when there are children around and the roads
>are wet like the other night. We left it at that and he said he'd find out
>who it was and talk to him.


You should have asked him to give you a follow up call.

>In any case, I hope something is done about the reckless driving, it's
>relaly an issue that needs to be addressed. Whenever a police officer is
>breaking the law his lights and possibly siren should be on. There are
>exceptions, but they are few and far between.


You see since they enforce the laws, there is really no one who will tell
them when they are wrong. So they like to 'bend' the rules because they
don't expect anyone to complain.
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Alex

  #48  
Old January 4th 05, 07:36 PM
Skip Elliott Bowman
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"Cory Dunkle" > wrote in message
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If people don't report this
> sort of thing cops will think they can do wahtever they want with no
> repercussions for their reckless behavior. They are there to serve the
> public and keep the roads and towns safe. Sometimes they seem to forget
> that, and who pays their salary.


This is what they call "police accountability".


  #49  
Old January 4th 05, 07:36 PM
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"Cory Dunkle" > wrote in message
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If people don't report this
> sort of thing cops will think they can do wahtever they want with no
> repercussions for their reckless behavior. They are there to serve the
> public and keep the roads and towns safe. Sometimes they seem to forget
> that, and who pays their salary.


This is what they call "police accountability".


  #50  
Old January 4th 05, 10:39 PM
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"Nate Nagel" > wrote in message
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> Cory Dunkle wrote:
>
>> I went in to the police station today. Seemed to stir up some commotion
>> when
>> I talked to the woman behind the glass. She told me to wait and the
>> Leutenant would come talk to me shortly. Then a cop walked out adn asked
>> if
>> I was being helped, I said yes, I was waiting for the Leutenant who was
>> going to speak to me. The cop asked waht it was about so I politely told
>> him
>> what I saw. He got very defensive and asked how I knew he didn't go out
>> on a
>> call and it was cancelled. I explained that the cop waited at the next
>> red
>> light, and that no matter which way you slice it running a red light and
>> doing twice the speed limit in a residential zone is reckless. He didn't
>> like that and told me no it was not reckless or unsafe, then walked away.

>
> HAHAHAHAHA! Jaybird, you got a brother in NJ?


See? I told ya I'm not the only one who understands...

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