American Car Makes

Dave Lister wrote:

> Every Chrysler I have ever driven has been a noisy gutless pig. Of
> course it's been a couple of years since I test drove a Concorde.

Of the American makes, Chrysler seems to have the most
interesting cars (and the worst trucks). Personally, I
hesitate to buy anything from Chrysler because of bad past
experiences. I also don't think their engines (at least the
old school 318 small block or 383 big block families) were
anything special. And I particularly hate the Mitsubishi V-6
engine they inflict on some unlucky people (but I suppose
that is not a "Chrysler" engine). On the other hand, it is
hard not to be intrigued by the 300, Magnum, and Charger -
at least if you want a performance car. If you want a well
assembled, technologically obsolete, mediocre sedan, Toyota
is pumping out Camrys.....

Ed

C. E. White wrote:
> Dave Lister wrote:
>
> > Every Chrysler I have ever driven has been a noisy gutless pig. Of
> > course it's been a couple of years since I test drove a Concorde.
>
> Of the American makes, Chrysler seems to have the most
> interesting cars (and the worst trucks). Personally, I
> hesitate to buy anything from Chrysler because of bad past
> experiences. I also don't think their engines (at least the
> old school 318 small block or 383 big block families) were
> anything special.

They just defined reliable and durable, that's all.

> And I particularly hate the Mitsubishi V-6
> engine they inflict on some unlucky people (but I suppose
> that is not a "Chrysler" engine).

Yeah, that wasn't one of their best moves. The Mitsu engine does have
a fairly bad reputation... actually Mitsu as a whole seems to have a
bad reputation with the exception of the Eclipse series.

nate

> On the other hand, it is
> hard not to be intrigued by the 300, Magnum, and Charger -
> at least if you want a performance car. If you want a well
> assembled, technologically obsolete, mediocre sedan, Toyota
> is pumping out Camrys.....
>
> Ed

"C. E. White" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Dave Lister wrote:
>
>> Every Chrysler I have ever driven has been a noisy gutless pig. Of
>> course it's been a couple of years since I test drove a Concorde.
>
> Of the American makes, Chrysler seems to have the most
> interesting cars (and the worst trucks).

What are you talking about? The only American makes are Ford and GM.
Chrysler is German, and has been for quite a while now. -Dave

In article > ,
says...

>American auto makers are notorious in my opinion for substituting
>plastic exteriors to make the cars look "cool" for a decent powerplant,
>witness Pontiac. Chrysler has for many years built good looking vehicles
>but never consistently put a good engine in.

The chrysler 2.2 Turbo was a good engine and went into many cars.
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Alex

Alex Rodriguez > wrote in news:d8ksod$5n4$15
@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu:

> In article > ,
> says...
>
>>American auto makers are notorious in my opinion for substituting
>>plastic exteriors to make the cars look "cool" for a decent powerplant,
>>witness Pontiac. Chrysler has for many years built good looking vehicles
>>but never consistently put a good engine in.
>
> The chrysler 2.2 Turbo was a good engine and went into many cars.

What was good about it? I thought it was noisy as well.

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C. E. White wrote:
>
> Dave Lister wrote:
>
>
>>Ford is in my opinion mostly a lost cause. When I am car shopping I
>>hardly ever go to a Ford dealer. The last Ford I owned leaked oil all
>>the time no matter what I had done to it.
>
>
> My parents have owned Ford most of my life. In the last 40
> years, not one Ford has leaked anough oil to put a spot of
> the garage floor of their home (they didn't have a garage
> floor before 1964, so I have no data for the 1953 to to 1963
> period). I've owned several Fords myself. Only one ever left
> oil on the ground, and it was promptly fixed under warranty.
> Now the !%$#& Toyota I owned leaked oil like seive. My
> Sister's have owned a couple of VWs and I beleive they were
> trying to recoat the roads with fresh oil. And I won't
> mention the assortment of British products I was addicted
> to...... But Fords, (tractors excepted) have never been a
> problem. My current oldest Ford (1992 F150, 100,000 miles)
> has never leaked a drop of oil. The underhood is
> unbelieveably clean. I can actaully work put my hands on
> things under the hood without needing a gallon of GoJo to
> clean-up (which is not true for my sisters much newer
> Honda). Maybe you should try a Ford again. If you are
> thinking Japanese cars are state of the art, you might be
> surprised.
>
> Ed

They seem to have contracted a nasty inability to build automatic
transmissions... and since most of their lineup is auto-only, that's a
Bad Thing(tm)

nate

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In a nutsell Dave, In the olden days of cheap Gasoline the cars could
be built big and heavy and since most consumers judge cars by what they
see and feel they were fooled into believing they were well made.
Detroit has not built well engineered precision crafted cars since the
1930's. (Cadillacs once had V-12s and V-16s Engines) Starting with
the 1938 Cadillac 60 Specials all American cars became rolling pieces
of costume jewelry that guzzle gas but could be sold to the public at
low prices because of the little cost it took to build them. When my
Dad was a young man, he, a College Proffessor bought a new 1964 Buick
Riviera and financed it for only 36 months !. I dunno what will become
of Detroit. New Cadillacs are nice and some of the Chevrolet & Pontiac
cars look promising. The Chevrolet Equinox is the biggest SUV bargain
on the market but compared to their Japanese counterparts they are
plastic-junky looking which is why consumers shun them.

"atlantic965" > wrote in
oups.com:

> In a nutsell Dave, In the olden days of cheap Gasoline the cars could
> be built big and heavy and since most consumers judge cars by what they
> see and feel they were fooled into believing they were well made.
> Detroit has not built well engineered precision crafted cars since the
> 1930's. (Cadillacs once had V-12s and V-16s Engines)

They are getting up to V-10's in some US brands now!(Daimler/Chrysler)

I find it interesting that Saturn(GM) is buying Honda engines for one of
their SUV's




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Nate Nagel > wrote in
news:1118699145.40c08c9a86029f55b2ff96ff1a6b1d1e@t eranews:

> C. E. White wrote:
>>
>> Dave Lister wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Ford is in my opinion mostly a lost cause. When I am car shopping I
>>>hardly ever go to a Ford dealer. The last Ford I owned leaked oil all
>>>the time no matter what I had done to it.
>>
>>
>> My parents have owned Ford most of my life. In the last 40
>> years, not one Ford has leaked anough oil to put a spot of
>> the garage floor of their home (they didn't have a garage
>> floor before 1964, so I have no data for the 1953 to to 1963
>> period). I've owned several Fords myself. Only one ever left
>> oil on the ground, and it was promptly fixed under warranty.
>> Now the !%$#& Toyota I owned leaked oil like seive. My
>> Sister's have owned a couple of VWs and I beleive they were
>> trying to recoat the roads with fresh oil. And I won't
>> mention the assortment of British products I was addicted
>> to...... But Fords, (tractors excepted) have never been a
>> problem. My current oldest Ford (1992 F150, 100,000 miles)
>> has never leaked a drop of oil. The underhood is
>> unbelieveably clean. I can actaully work put my hands on
>> things under the hood without needing a gallon of GoJo to
>> clean-up (which is not true for my sisters much newer
>> Honda). Maybe you should try a Ford again. If you are
>> thinking Japanese cars are state of the art, you might be
>> surprised.
>>
>> Ed
>
> They seem to have contracted a nasty inability to build automatic
> transmissions... and since most of their lineup is auto-only, that's
a
> Bad Thing(tm)

My sister-in-law has had several put into her Ford Minivan.


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> They are getting up to V-10's in some US brands now!(Daimler/Chrysler)
>
> I find it interesting that Saturn(GM) is buying Honda engines for one of
> their SUV's
>

That's very interesting as GM intends to slash prices on certain brands such
as Chevy and Saturn. A discount Honda at a no-hassle price? Interesting
indeed. -Dave