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  #21  
Old July 21st 06, 09:00 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
Dick
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On Fri, 21 Jul 2006 14:13:07 -0500, Victor Martinez
wrote:

Köi-Lö wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion.


Idem.

No fish is going to have a better
QUALITY of life in the limited space of a fishtank than they achieve in
their natural habitat where they evolved. A LONG life is not
necessarily a "happy" or healthy life.


Let's take a simple and common example, shall we? Cardinal tetras. In
the wild they have to forrage for food, escape predators, and then
suffocate in the dry season when their habitat dries up. In my little
tank they have no predators, get food twice a day and they have a life
expentance of several years.

This I agree with. But nothing can be better than a fish's or animal's
natural habitat for the general welfare of the animal/fish/bird and it's
quality of life. A prime example are the cageless zoos and the reasons
for them.


I think it's dangerous to make a generalization like that across species
as different as fish and mammals. For many species, living in the wild
is a daily struggle for survival.
In general, I am against imprisonment of higher species for our amusement.


The world would be better off without terrorists. How things might be
better is an endless list. What we each do is make the best of our
own situation.

If I only have a 1 gallon tank, then I do my best to not over crowd
it. However, if my life quality is improved by having the fish, I
find it relaxing in a hectic world, then the fish is doing something
important.

Animal rights must always be second to human needs. It is the way of
the world. I have been told my 10 gallon tank is too small for my 2
SAEs and 1 Clown Loach. I can find no difference in color nor
activity between them and those I have in a 75 gallon tank.

Do you have telepathy with your fish?

I feel sorry for my dogs when they rush the fence to chase rabbits. I
think they would be happier to run in the fields. There is a trade
off, fun for longevity.

Of course, it doesn't matter, I won't risk my happiness on the chance
they will be happier outside the fence. They seem happy with my
choice.

dick
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Old July 21st 06, 09:05 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
Dick
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On 20 Jul 2006 16:17:49 -0700, "Tynk" wrote:


Dick wrote:


I have seen single male Betas in small bowls, no filtration.


Betas are sometimes put singularly into community tanks. It has been
a long times since I tried. As I recall they sometimes would nip
fins.

dick


FYI....that would be Betta. (it's pornounced "bet-uh", not "bait-uh"
and is the usual reason for the misspelling)

Google points out the spelling error, but still listed sites. Pleco
is not a correct spelling either, but is used. I saved one whole
stroke.

A rose by any other name smells as sweet.

dick
Bettas can only survive in a small, unheated and unfiltered bowl.
However, they will thrive in a heated tank.
1g is the absolute minimum tank they should be housed in.
Keeping them in community tanks is often fine, and I do recommend it.
However, as with every single Betta, each has a different personality
and that needs to be considered.
Tank mates are usually the ones doing the nipping and the Betta ends of
shredded if put in with the wrong type.
Fish that are very small, such as live bearer fry or Neons when very
tiny (fully grown Neons are usually fine) make for good snacks.
Bettas are carnivores, so anything it can fit into it's mouth will be.
In regard to housing a male in with females, again that depends on tank
size, as well as each individual personality of each fish. Sex plays no
part in aggression here. A female can shred up a male just as good, so
only experienced Betta keepers should house females and a male in one
tank.
These fish are aware of what goes on outside their tank, so they
quickly become tame to their owners.
Stay away from freeze dried foods, as they will cause constipation.
They need a good staple food and another "meat' type food, such as
frozen bloodworms or brine shrimp.
They should be fed twice a day, in small amounts.
Their water should be kept clean and heated to 78-80*f.


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Old July 21st 06, 09:15 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
Köi-Lö
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:
You're entitled to your opinion.


Idem.

No fish is going to have a better
QUALITY of life in the limited space of a fishtank than they achieve in
their natural habitat where they evolved. A LONG life is not necessarily
a "happy" or healthy life.


Let's take a simple and common example, shall we? Cardinal tetras. In the
wild they have to forrage for food, escape predators, and then suffocate
in the dry season when their habitat dries up. In my little tank they have
no predators, get food twice a day and they have a life expentance of
several years.


Several years of WHAT though? Boredom? Again, think of the cageless zoo.
The animals that paced themselves into insanity in the zoos also lived much
longer than their wild brethren, but there was little quality to that extra
time.

This I agree with. But nothing can be better than a fish's or animal's
natural habitat for the general welfare of the animal/fish/bird and it's
quality of life. A prime example are the cageless zoos and the reasons
for them.


I think it's dangerous to make a generalization like that across species
as different as fish and mammals. For many species, living in the wild is
a daily struggle for survival.


That they are well suited to........ If they were not, they would have gone
extinct.

In general, I am against imprisonment of higher species for our amusement.


I am as well. I'm also very much against keeping birds in those small cages
most people buy and against lizards and snakes kept in tanks. I've seen
rabbits kept in tiny cages where they had hardly any room to lay down. I've
seen dogs kept in fenced pens so small that were wall to wall feces. And as
for fish. The death rate of those sold in pet shops is astronomical. Most
are dead within a few weeks due to ignorance and other reasons...... hardly
an improvement over nature.
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Old July 21st 06, 09:20 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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"Dick" wrote in message
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I feel sorry for my dogs when they rush the fence to chase rabbits. I
think they would be happier to run in the fields. There is a trade
off, fun for longevity.

Of course, it doesn't matter, I won't risk my happiness on the chance
they will be happier outside the fence. They seem happy with my
choice.

=================
Where cruelty and lack of quality of life come in is where dogs are kept in
such small pens they are living in their own feces. Some have little or no
shade. There were several recent cases where I live of dogs not even being
given water in this heat and humidity. One pup died before the woman (a
neighbor) could get help for the pup. The owner casually tossed it into the
garbage can.......
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  #25  
Old July 21st 06, 09:44 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
Victor Martinez
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Köi-Lö wrote:
Several years of WHAT though? Boredom?


I seriously doubt fish have enough brains to get bored.

Again, think of the cageless
zoo. The animals that paced themselves into insanity in the zoos also
lived much longer than their wild brethren, but there was little quality
to that extra time.


We're talking fish, not mammals.

That they are well suited to........ If they were not, they would have
gone extinct.


Who says they aren't in process of being extinct?

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Old July 21st 06, 11:45 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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They definitely have their own personalities. :-)


Which is a big part of if a male/female can be put together. Most times
people say you can only put a male by him self, and some males that is true,
but not most of them, mind seem to do better in a community.
Tynk I think has hers in a 75g, Ed I think had his in a 55g, I have a pair
in a 30 long, with out no problem.
I have a male & female betta in with gourami's, and they get along great,
most people say you cant do that.
Its just a matter of how that betta male or female gets along with the other
fish. Like tynk I have had several females give a males a run for their
money. My female never hides from my male, they swim around together I am
yet to see him try and nip her, now on occasion she will nip him but I think
she just wants him to know his place. I see it wrote on here all the time,
bettas have to be alone, they have to be in bowls, all kind of things that
are not true, and its a shame because it adds to all the miss information
out there about them.
Nik









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Old July 22nd 06, 12:18 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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"Victor Martinez" wrote in message
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Köi-Lö wrote:
Several years of WHAT though? Boredom?


I seriously doubt fish have enough brains to get bored.


But we can't know that. I've seen fish swim mindlessly up and down the
corner of a tank - just like the pacing animals in the old zoos.

Again, think of the cageless zoo. The animals that paced themselves into
insanity in the zoos also lived much longer than their wild brethren, but
there was little quality to that extra time.


We're talking fish, not mammals.


Fish have brains. They're not houseplants. ;-) See above. I had one
betta that was clearly going stir-bugs in a 2g display tank. He'd swim
aimlessly back and forth from one end of the tank to the other, about 2"
above the gravel... over and over and over,...back and forth.... little
difference between that and the caged bird that sways back and forth by the
hour. Or the big cat that paces endlessly from one end of it's cage to the
other.

That they are well suited to........ If they were not, they would have
gone extinct.


Who says they aren't in process of being extinct?


Who says *we're* not in the process of going extinct? ;-)
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Old July 22nd 06, 12:27 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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"Nikki" wrote in message
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They definitely have their own personalities. :-)



Which is a big part of if a male/female can be put together. Most times
people say you can only put a male by him self, and some males that is
true, but not most of them, mind seem to do better in a community.
Tynk I think has hers in a 75g, Ed I think had his in a 55g, I have a pair
in a 30 long, with out no problem.


These are BIGGER tanks and if planted and the bettas are not very
aggressive, it should be ok. I just don't think people should be encouraged
to even try it if they have a tank smaller than a 30L. Also as someone
already mentioned - they will eat anything small enough to get into their
mouths. That can be anything from a small neon tetra to a baby platy or
guppy.

I have a male & female betta in with gourami's, and they get along great,
most people say you cant do that.
Its just a matter of how that betta male or female gets along with the
other fish. Like tynk I have had several females give a males a run for
their money. My female never hides from my male, they swim around
together I am yet to see him try and nip her,


The males I had would rapidly chase away any female not interested in their
ever present bubble nests. After losing females to infections in shredded
fins I kept them all separate unless pairing them off to breed.

now on occasion she will nip him but I think
she just wants him to know his place. I see it wrote on here all the time,
bettas have to be alone, they have to be in bowls, all kind of things that
are not true,


You can't say it's not true since you don't know the temperaments of the
fish the person posting has, or how large their tanks are, or if the tanks
are planted or not. So what may be true of a 30L planted tank with a few
mellow bettas will not apply to someone with a 10g tank with one or no
plants.

and its a shame because it adds to all the miss information
out there about them.


See above. It's not misinformation where really aggressive bettas are
concerned and smaller tanks with few or no hiding places. Don't assume
everyone has a 30L or larger planted tank.
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Old July 22nd 06, 05:13 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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"[-=LÈGIÖN=-]" wrote in message
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Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding..


DARN! I thought you were the ice cream man!!!!! :-))

Time Out....Time Out....
Now go to your corners.
Whew..

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Old July 22nd 06, 02:48 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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What does your male think of her? Is there a big size difference between
them? you still have your male dont you. I have put a lot of bettas in the
tank with no quarantine, been fine so far. I did not know walmart kept their
females in bowls, petsmart puts their in tanks, but petco keep them in bowls
also.
she sounds pretty,
Nik


I just picked up a really nice light-turqouise female betta this pm.
She's about 1.25 inches and seems to being enjoying the new home from
the cramped little plastic bowl she was in at the Walmart store.

No quarantine took place...just slow acclimating her to the new water
and hope for the best. Not showing any signs of stress, finnage all
out on point, checking the 'hood out. Eating sun-dried shrimp as I
type this. Hoping for the best.



































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