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Old March 17th 06, 04:18 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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"IDzine01" wrote in message
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There is a difference between fin loss and fin rot but it isn't always
very obvious how to tell them apart. Fin rot is a bacterial infection
and often occurs due to poor water conditions. Bettas are extremely
susceptible to it and it's not uncommon for even seasoned veterans to
have to deal with it from time to time. General fin loss or tearing
(pin holes too) may occur if your betta snags his fins on something or
from flaring. Fin rot can often be identified by black or bloodied fin
tips. Often chunks of fins will just slough off. They are often
characteristically tattered at the ends as well. The signs of fin rot
may be less obvious with darker colored or red bettas.

http://www.nippyfish.net/finlossfinrot.html

Ok, let me give you a quick update, he (Mr. blue betta) is swimming a bit
today, I was surprised after yesterday, it has also made it a little easier
to see all the fins, it was hard when he was sitting at the bottom of the
tank. I think they are just pinholes, if you took the pinholes away his
tail/fin would look completely normal, no snags, rips, or anything along
those lines, just pinholes. I see what you are saying now (the difference
between rot/pinholes). Another good thing is this morning he took a few
pieces of food, I have had him for a week, and he was in a cup at the store,
so I don't know that he could of got snagged on anything, but the water in
the cup had a film on top, not sure from what, maybe that has something to
do with it.
He is not as active as the others, however he does not look like he might
die at any moment as he did yesterday.
We had been talking about ich, I have a question, I know you can not kill it
when its on the fish, the meds kill it when it falls off the fish and is in
the rocks, if I understand right you can kill ich with high temps, so when
it falls off the betta, and is in the rocks, could you not empty out the
tank and boil the rocks, which would kill it or at least lessen the time you
need to use the medication, is that right or not, I see where it would not
be reasonable to do this in a big tank with a lot of stuff in it, but in a
QT ???
Let me know if you have a minute
Thanks for the help Nikki


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Old March 17th 06, 04:39 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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"Tynk" wrote in message
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Nikki wrote:
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Hi Nikki.

I use it in the tank, which is usually a small quarantine tank.
I couldn't even tell you the last time I used in my 75g..ya know...I
don't even think I have come to think of it.
I must add that this all depends on the level of infestation. Also, if
it's in the gills, I go straight to Quick Cure and forget the salt.
I would like to stress the importance of water changes before rushing
into meds or a salt treatment.
It should always be the first thing you do....doesn't matter what the
problem, or illness....do a water change first. = )

The whole salt argument about whether or not to use salt in a tank has
more to do with using it on a regular basis, not as a treatment.
That my dear is a whole different can of worms and a debate that will
rage on forever.
I used to add salt in all my tanks. My Angel and Betta tanks. However,
I stopped yrs ago and I saw no real difference.
It didn't seem to help or hinder, so why bother adding another
chemical.
Now there are some fish species that really should have it..such as
Guppies and Mollies.
I know this isn't what you meant when asking about adding salt in your
situation, but I thought it should be said too.


Actually I was wondering about using it on a daily basis, because I had read
it sometimes keeps them from getting sick, so I wanted to ask someone who
keeps betta's. I see what you mean about adding extra stuff when its not
needed, I had never used it in my guppy tank before a few months ago, and
since I started using it they seem a lot better off, I guess I was wondering
if it was the same for betta's, but its probably better to just use it for
them when needed for being sick.
I do a lot of water changes, before last month when I got some new fish and
they had ich, I had not had no problems with sick fish, as a matter a fact
as long as my tanks were set up I did not have ich meds in my house, and had
not lost no fish, then I did something stupid and got new fish and did not
QT them, put them in my guppy tank, within a day or two I seen ich and there
my problems started, and again I went back to that store and got 2 red
betta's and a pleco, they were sick, then two blue betta's and one of them
is sick now. I have a guppy tank and the 29 gl that has the gourmi and
goldfish, before all the problems with the sick fish I used to change 30%
water a week and had no problems, since the problems I change some water
every other day at least while I vacuum the tank, when I'm sure things are
better I'll cut back, with the betta's (they are each in their own tank, I
change 50% while I vacuum a day, I got a smaller vacuum for them, I also got
a filter and heater on each tank, so it stays pretty clean, I also only give
a few pieces of food at a time, I've learned about feeding, I had always had
big fish like pacu or Oscars and anything that hit the water they ate, its
different with little ones.
again thanks for your help (and I agree about water changes, I see a bigger
difference with them then medication, especially with betta's)
Nikki


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Old March 17th 06, 04:46 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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Often livebearers like Guppies will often do better with salt but
bettas are a little different. Salt may have it's place when treating
certain ailments but I don't believe it's necessary or even good all
the time.

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Old March 17th 06, 04:53 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki at
was heard opining:

But I am getting a few females now, I also have seen a lot of pretty
female betta's, I have a breeder ordering them for me, I ask one of
the fish stores around here first and she said she can only get them
six at a time, .........

========================
Healthy female bettas are every bit as pretty as the males as far as color
goes. If you have a Wal*Mart or Pet Supermarket in your area check them out
as they sell females at most times. I have never seen females at PetsMart,
Petland or Superpets. Now they may have them occasionally, but I've never
seen them there.

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Old March 17th 06, 05:23 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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I also called petsmart and your right they said they don't get them in
*most* of the time.
I do have a Wal-Mart not to far, I have never considered getting fish there
but maybe ill try.
thanks Nikki


"Koi-Lo" wrote in message
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Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki at
was heard opining:

But I am getting a few females now, I also have seen a lot of pretty
female betta's, I have a breeder ordering them for me, I ask one of
the fish stores around here first and she said she can only get them
six at a time, .........

========================
Healthy female bettas are every bit as pretty as the males as far as color
goes. If you have a Wal*Mart or Pet Supermarket in your area check them
out as they sell females at most times. I have never seen females at
PetsMart, Petland or Superpets. Now they may have them occasionally, but
I've never seen them there.

--

Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o







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Old March 17th 06, 10:02 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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Hey Christie..


IDzine01 wrote:
Often livebearers like Guppies will often do better with salt but
bettas are a little different. Salt may have it's place when treating
certain ailments but I don't believe it's necessary or even good all
the time.


I totally agree!

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Old March 17th 06, 11:46 PM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki at
was heard opining:

I also called petsmart and your right they said they don't get them in
*most* of the time.
I do have a Wal-Mart not to far, I have never considered getting fish
there but maybe ill try.
thanks Nikki

=======================
Make sure you treat all WM fish for ICK. I just bought the first fish in
years at WM today. See my post above regarding calico Lionheads. They'll
be treated for ICK, then flukes. They'll be in quarantine for at least 14
to 21 days.

They had at least 6 female bettas and all looked healthy but were young and
small.
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Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
http://tinyurl.com/9do58
~~~ }((((o ~~~ }{{{{o ~~~ }(((((o




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Old March 18th 06, 12:11 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:46:22 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:

Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki at
was heard opining:

I also called petsmart and your right they said they don't get them in
*most* of the time.
I do have a Wal-Mart not to far, I have never considered getting fish
there but maybe ill try.
thanks Nikki

=======================
Make sure you treat all WM fish for ICK. I just bought the first fish in
years at WM today. See my post above regarding calico Lionheads. They'll
be treated for ICK, then flukes. They'll be in quarantine for at least 14
to 21 days.


Now there you go again, spontaneously combusting Nikki. At this rate
you're going to everyone blown up and no one to talk to.

Why are you treating your new fish for diseases that you haven't
identified?

-- Mister Gardener
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Old March 18th 06, 12:35 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:46:22 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:

Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki at
was heard opining:

I also called petsmart and your right they said they don't get them in
*most* of the time.
I do have a Wal-Mart not to far, I have never considered getting fish
there but maybe ill try.
thanks Nikki

=======================
Make sure you treat all WM fish for ICK. I just bought the first fish in
years at WM today. See my post above regarding calico Lionheads. They'll
be treated for ICK, then flukes. They'll be in quarantine for at least 14
to 21 days.


Now there you go again, spontaneously combusting Nikki. At this rate
you're going to everyone blown up and no one to talk to.

Why are you treating your new fish for diseases that you haven't
identified?

============================
Because there were several tanks of fish there crawling with ICK. There was
no way these GF weren't exposed, even though they were only in the tank
maybe an hour. No one there soaks the nets or specimen containers in
disinfectant. No one there CARES.

I've heard enough horror stories about flukes to go for the bucks to treat
them for that as well. I asked the young man there if they had medication
or salt in the water and he said they're not even allowed to feed the fish
anymore. They keep the tank-tops locked now. There were starving plecos
and puffers, dead fish floating..........

I'm not taking any chances.

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Koi-Lo.... frugal ponding since 1995...
Aquariums since 1952
My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
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Old March 18th 06, 12:40 AM posted to rec.aquaria.freshwater.misc
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On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:35:08 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:


"Mr. Gardener" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 17 Mar 2006 16:46:22 -0600, "Koi-Lo"
wrote:

Moments before spontaneously combusting Nikki at
was heard opining:


Whew. Thanks for not spontaneously combusting me. I can live to write
another message.

-- Mister Gardener
 




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