Timing belt / water pump

Um, anyone else think the dealership would rather sell an expensive
service (necessary but performed early) rather than perform warranty
Work?

They are 80-90% the same job and one could be used to 'mask' the other.

Selling someone a belt early, would be a way to make money rather than
put in for warranty reimbursement which might make the dealership less
popular .

-- Bror Jace

Bror Jace wrote:

> Um, anyone else think the dealership would rather sell an expensive
> service (necessary but performed early) rather than perform warranty
> Work?
>
> They are 80-90% the same job and one could be used to 'mask' the other.
>
> Selling someone a belt early, would be a way to make money rather than
> put in for warranty reimbursement which might make the dealership less
> popular .

I don't know of many water pumps that won't last through the warranty
period. I was thinking maybe sometime between the end of the warranty
coverage but before the timing belt change is due. In that case it's
a good idea to change the belt and tensioner pulley proactively.

ok lets get this straight. we do timing belt packages at my dealership for
about 600 dollars or so depending on the vehicle. there is no need to
replace the tensioner unless it shows signs of damage. we replace the water
pump, timing belt, cam seal, front crank seal, any drive belts and the valve
cover gasket. and we use OEM parts of course. you can have a Honda
Technician do it, or some grease monkey that's touches Hondas once in a
while do it.
"y_p_w" > wrote in message
news
>
>
> SoCalMike wrote:
>
>> Goremeister wrote:
>>
>>> So what would it cost to get the timing belt and water pump changed at
>>> the
>>> dealer for a 97 civic? How many hours and what's the cost for the parts?
>>
>>
>> bout $450, all inclusive. less is better, but MUCH less and id start
>> wondering if they really even did the job.
>
> Standard package should include timing belt, water pump, tensioner
> pulley, and new valve cover gasket. The vast majority of the cost
> is labor. I once bought a belt, water pump, and tensioner pulley
> for a shade tree mechanic to do the job. The belt was about $40,
> the water pump $35, and tensioner pulley $30.

Lex wrote:
> ok lets get this straight. we do timing belt packages at my dealership for
> about 600 dollars or so depending on the vehicle. there is no need to
> replace the tensioner unless it shows signs of damage. we replace the water
> pump, timing belt, cam seal, front crank seal, any drive belts and the valve
> cover gasket. and we use OEM parts of course. you can have a Honda
> Technician do it, or some grease monkey that's touches Hondas once in a
> while do it.

I've seen many recommendations that the tensioner pulley might as well
be replaced while the mechanic "is in there". It's only a $30 part,
and I"ve heard of cases where a tensioner pulley has seized and
destroyed the timing belt. With all that stuff off, it's supposed to
be a chance to replace a mish-mash of parts that might break.

y_p_w > wrote in
ink.net:

>
>
> Lex wrote:
>> ok lets get this straight. we do timing belt packages at my
>> dealership for about 600 dollars or so depending on the vehicle.
>> there is no need to replace the tensioner unless it shows signs of
>> damage. we replace the water pump, timing belt, cam seal, front crank
>> seal, any drive belts and the valve cover gasket. and we use OEM
>> parts of course. you can have a Honda Technician do it, or some
>> grease monkey that's touches Hondas once in a while do it.
>
> I've seen many recommendations that the tensioner pulley might as well
> be replaced while the mechanic "is in there". It's only a $30 part,
> and I"ve heard of cases where a tensioner pulley has seized and
> destroyed the timing belt. With all that stuff off, it's supposed to
> be a chance to replace a mish-mash of parts that might break.
>


Replace tensioner and spring every second belt change. Leaving them in for
a third belt is asking for serious trouble.

This is assuming you're sticking to the Service Manual's replacement
interval...

--
TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

mpet500 wrote:
> I own a 2001 Honda Civic. It has about 100,000 KMs (62000 miles)
>
> I just brought my car in to be repaired. The Honda dealer told me I
have
> to change the timing belt and water pump. Athough the timing belt is
not
> broken, he recommended I change it since it is all cracked.
Unfortunately
> changing a timing belt is not under the warranty (unless it snaps in
> half...this is just maintenance). But, the water pump is under my
warranty.
>
>
> I know that to change the timing belt and water pump, it is pretty
much
> the same job. The question is, what amount of labour is required to
> change the water pump and what amount of labour is required to change
the
> timing belt. I want to make sure that I am not getting screwed. I
want to
> make sure that I am only paying for the timing belt portion of the
labour
> and not the water pump portion of the labour. Can anyone give me an
> estimate on the time required? Thanks

A quick check of the Maintenance Schedule in your 2001 Honda Civic
Owners
Manual will show that the recommended interval for timing belt change,
under normal driving conditions, is (drum roll....) : every 110000
mi/176000 KM , or @ 84 months. The water pump has no replacement
interval, but is to be 'inspected' at each timing belt change or 'as
required'.

FWIW, I commute 110 miles daily (rt) via I-95 in Florida driving a 2001
Civic EX Coupe. I bought the car new Dec, 2000 and it currently has
157000 miles on it with original timing belt and water pump. I'm going
for the 84 month (7 year) replacement cycle. I'm going to inspect the
timing belt soon, when I change the OEM plugs !