Genuine Shop Manuals Standard Equipment on All Cars

I'm with you on this one. Unfortunately neither Reps nor Dems will
be.....it's ironic that most aircraft service documentation is in the
public domain whereas most auto docs are not.

Hey Nomen, try alldatapro.com

Denny

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
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> It now costs the big three exactly a buck fifty to supply a genuine shop
> manual for each and every car and truck they sell.

Hey Nomen, try alldatapro.com

Denny

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
> It now costs the big three exactly a buck fifty to supply a genuine shop
> manual for each and every car and truck they sell.

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> It now costs the big three exactly a buck fifty to supply a genuine shop
> manual for each and every car and truck they sell.
>
> That's what two CD-ROMs would cost them. One CD for shop procedures. One
> CD for parts catalogue. Those CD-ROMs should be sandwiched in the owner's
> manual.
>
> Do-it-yourselfers need them and so do old ladies. Why old ladies?
> Simple. When she breaks down someplace out of town, those discs will come
> in handy for the independent repair shop and his NAPA supplier.
>
> Never mind the paper edition. That's for dealerships and enthusiasts with
> money burning holes in their pockets.
>
> I'm waiting now for the complaint even $1.50 is a lot on a $30,000 car.
> Okay! Then we need a quick and dirty FEDERAL LAW MANDATING CD-ROM manuals
> in the interests of public safety. Improperly repaired cars are dangerous
> to your health and painful to your pocketbook as well. Let them charge
> $30,001.50 after the passage of this badly needed law. Too many laws on
> the books you say? Of course. At least 10000 of them, so what's one
> more? As bad as laws sometimes are, they are needed to keep the fat cats
> of Detroit on good behavior.
>
> If the Government can take it on to legislate the side wall markings on
> bicycle tires, they surely can mandate two simple CD-ROMs for every car.
> And you'll thank me for for it a thousand times over.
You don't know much about producing a product do you? If a cd costs $1.50
then how are you going to pay the salary for the people who write the text
for the manual, the editors who check them for errors, the project managers
who make sure they get done on time when the vehicle is released? Do you
think all cars are made by slaves in China so the shop manuals can be too?

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> It now costs the big three exactly a buck fifty to supply a genuine shop
> manual for each and every car and truck they sell.
>
> That's what two CD-ROMs would cost them. One CD for shop procedures. One
> CD for parts catalogue. Those CD-ROMs should be sandwiched in the owner's
> manual.
>
> Do-it-yourselfers need them and so do old ladies. Why old ladies?
> Simple. When she breaks down someplace out of town, those discs will come
> in handy for the independent repair shop and his NAPA supplier.
>
> Never mind the paper edition. That's for dealerships and enthusiasts with
> money burning holes in their pockets.
>
> I'm waiting now for the complaint even $1.50 is a lot on a $30,000 car.
> Okay! Then we need a quick and dirty FEDERAL LAW MANDATING CD-ROM manuals
> in the interests of public safety. Improperly repaired cars are dangerous
> to your health and painful to your pocketbook as well. Let them charge
> $30,001.50 after the passage of this badly needed law. Too many laws on
> the books you say? Of course. At least 10000 of them, so what's one
> more? As bad as laws sometimes are, they are needed to keep the fat cats
> of Detroit on good behavior.
>
> If the Government can take it on to legislate the side wall markings on
> bicycle tires, they surely can mandate two simple CD-ROMs for every car.
> And you'll thank me for for it a thousand times over.
You don't know much about producing a product do you? If a cd costs $1.50
then how are you going to pay the salary for the people who write the text
for the manual, the editors who check them for errors, the project managers
who make sure they get done on time when the vehicle is released? Do you
think all cars are made by slaves in China so the shop manuals can be too?

"Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
...
> It now costs the big three exactly a buck fifty to supply a genuine shop
> manual for each and every car and truck they sell.


That is correct - they have all this info on file anyway so they could dish
them out as freely as AOL do with theirs. One problem we have in the UK
though is that Ford dealers go out of their way not to tell you such
information as our American 'buddies' tend to sue them every time they do
something stupid and damage their car or themselves. It would seem that it
is 'reckless' to allow anyone who is not a trained mechanic access to such
information so its just easier to say no.
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In alt.autos.ford "RustY?" > wrote:
> "Nomen Nescio" > wrote in message
> ...
>> It now costs the big three exactly a buck fifty to supply a genuine shop
>> manual for each and every car and truck they sell.

> That is correct - they have all this info on file anyway so they could dish
> them out as freely as AOL do with theirs. One problem we have in the UK
> though is that Ford dealers go out of their way not to tell you such
> information as our American 'buddies' tend to sue them every time they do
> something stupid and damage their car or themselves. It would seem that it
> is 'reckless' to allow anyone who is not a trained mechanic access to such
> information so its just easier to say no.

Are you saying that Ford won't release repair info to their UK customers,
and Ford's reason for this is somehow related to the behavior of Ford's
customers in the USA?

I'm not following you at all. I'm in the US and I can purchase the
genuine Ford factory workshop manuals and/or CDs (from Helm, Inc.) without
any restrictions (other than the cost).

"Mark Olson" > wrote in message
...
>
> Are you saying that Ford won't release repair info to their UK customers,
> and Ford's reason for this is somehow related to the behavior of Ford's
> customers in the USA?
>
> I'm not following you at all. I'm in the US and I can purchase the
> genuine Ford factory workshop manuals and/or CDs (from Helm, Inc.) without
> any restrictions (other than the cost).

I know here in the US there's a law that says that they can't not sell the
service manuals to people wanting to buy them. I'm not sure about overseas
though.

What I think he's trying to say though is over here people'll hurt
themselves because of themselves working on the car then sue the
manufacturer so they just don't sell them.

"Mark Olson" > wrote in message
...
>
> Are you saying that Ford won't release repair info to their UK customers,
> and Ford's reason for this is somehow related to the behavior of Ford's
> customers in the USA?
>
> I'm not following you at all. I'm in the US and I can purchase the
> genuine Ford factory workshop manuals and/or CDs (from Helm, Inc.) without
> any restrictions (other than the cost).

I know here in the US there's a law that says that they can't not sell the
service manuals to people wanting to buy them. I'm not sure about overseas
though.

What I think he's trying to say though is over here people'll hurt
themselves because of themselves working on the car then sue the
manufacturer so they just don't sell them.

"Mark Olson" > wrote in message
...
> Are you saying that Ford won't release repair info to their UK customers,
> and Ford's reason for this is somehow related to the behavior of Ford's
> customers in the USA?
>


Certainly in the UK parts staff are instructed not to 'advise' on fitting
etc. I'm sure that Ford would not put the blame on the American buyers.
Rather, they would quote global instances of damage claims. We all know
where the 'sue people' have their reservation though - don't we ?
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