asshole, 30 yrs from now $7 a gal gas WILL BE CHEAP

In article >,
Dave Head > wrote:
>
>But the real key is the electrification of transportation, which we
>can do just as soon as somebody invents the magic battery that will
>hold about 10X the amount of a Li Ion battery does now. People have
>claimed at one time or another that they've done it, but then they
>disappear, never to be heard from again apparently.

Yeah, when someone told them to put up or shut up.
--
The problem with socialism is there's always
someone with less ability and more need.

On Jul 20, 12:11*am, (Matthew Russotto)
wrote:
> In article >,
> Dave Head > wrote:
>
>
>
> >But the real key is the electrification of transportation, which we
> >can do just as soon as somebody invents the magic battery that will
> >hold about 10X the amount of a Li Ion battery does now. *People have
> >claimed at one time or another that they've done it, but then they
> >disappear, never to be heard from again apparently.
>
> Yeah, when someone told them to put up or shut up.

important to realize - that we cannot "create" energy - only covert it
from one form to another. The 10X is not 10 times the original
energy... it's converting from one form to another with 10 times the
density ... MINUS the losses encountered in the conversion.

People don't seem to understand the basics of physics... and keep
hoping for magic.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:11:49 GMT,
(Matthew Russotto) wrote:

>In article >,
>Dave Head > wrote:
>>
>>But the real key is the electrification of transportation, which we
>>can do just as soon as somebody invents the magic battery that will
>>hold about 10X the amount of a Li Ion battery does now. People have
>>claimed at one time or another that they've done it, but then they
>>disappear, never to be heard from again apparently.
>
>Yeah, when someone told them to put up or shut up.

Yep. So far the magic battery remains magic. Somebody still needs to
invent it.

On Jul 20, 5:43*pm, Dave Head > wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:11:49 GMT,
>
> (Matthew Russotto) wrote:
> >In article >,
> >Dave Head > wrote:
>
> >>But the real key is the electrification of transportation, which we
> >>can do just as soon as somebody invents the magic battery that will
> >>hold about 10X the amount of a Li Ion battery does now. *People have
> >>claimed at one time or another that they've done it, but then they
> >>disappear, never to be heard from again apparently.
>
> >Yeah, when someone told them to put up or shut up.
>
> Yep. *So far the magic battery remains magic. *Somebody still needs to
> invent it.

can't 'create' energy.... only change the form of it. battery cars
are not happening yet... they are further away than cheap solar in my
view

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
> wrote:

>On Jul 20, 5:43*pm, Dave Head > wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:11:49 GMT,
>>
>> (Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>> >In article >,
>> >Dave Head > wrote:
>>
>> >>But the real key is the electrification of transportation, which we
>> >>can do just as soon as somebody invents the magic battery that will
>> >>hold about 10X the amount of a Li Ion battery does now. *People have
>> >>claimed at one time or another that they've done it, but then they
>> >>disappear, never to be heard from again apparently.
>>
>> >Yeah, when someone told them to put up or shut up.
>>
>> Yep. *So far the magic battery remains magic. *Somebody still needs to
>> invent it.
>
>can't 'create' energy.... only change the form of it. battery cars
>are not happening yet... they are further away than cheap solar in my
>view

Battery car happens this fall. Its called the Chevy Volt. You can
power yourself over most of your city without gas. But if you want to
crusise the open road, it can do that too. The lack of the magic
battery forces a gas engine to make it go after 40 miles. When the
magic battery is invented, (if), then it'll likely be retrofitted, and
the gas engine will be used even less.

If it weren't for the envirowackos, that gas engine would likely be a
diesel, and this thing would be REALLY efficient.

On Jul 20, 7:19*pm, Dave Head > wrote:

>
> Battery car happens this fall. *Its called the Chevy Volt. *You can
> power yourself over most of your city without gas.

Every 40 miles you must charge the battery.

Where does the energy come from to charge the battery?

Most likely coal!! A battewry charged car is a "dirty" car.

mr dude

On 7/20/2010 6:29 PM, mr wrote:
> On Jul 20, 7:19 pm, Dave > wrote:
>
>>
>> Battery car happens this fall. Its called the Chevy Volt. You can
>> power yourself over most of your city without gas.
>
> Every 40 miles you must charge the battery.
>
> Where does the energy come from to charge the battery?
>
> Most likely coal!! A battewry charged car is a "dirty" car.
>
> mr dude

To say nothing of the load on the nation's electric system that is
already running near capacity in extreme heat and cold.

The response - oh there's surplus on the grid at night. Logic - fine as
long as you don't need to charge the car during the day after you driven
40 miles.

In article >,
Rich Piehl > wrote:
>
>To say nothing of the load on the nation's electric system that is
>already running near capacity in extreme heat and cold.
>
>The response - oh there's surplus on the grid at night. Logic - fine as
>long as you don't need to charge the car during the day after you driven
>40 miles.

Or if electric cars actually become popular and thus create their own
peak. I think average residential load in the US is about 1KW. The
Volt takes over 2KW all by itself. Now imagine all 1.8 cars per
household in the US are replaced with electric vehicles....
--
The problem with socialism is there's always
someone with less ability and more need.

On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 16:29:25 -0700 (PDT), "mr
" > wrote:

>On Jul 20, 7:19*pm, Dave Head > wrote:
>
>>
>> Battery car happens this fall. *Its called the Chevy Volt. *You can
>> power yourself over most of your city without gas.
>
>Every 40 miles you must charge the battery.
>
>Where does the energy come from to charge the battery?
>
>Most likely coal!! A battewry charged car is a "dirty" car.
>
>mr dude

As soon as the F'n envirowackos let people build the only really clean
solution that works, nuclear, then that will likely continue to be the
case.

On Jul 20, 7:19*pm, Dave Head > wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:59:55 -0700 (PDT), Larry G
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Jul 20, 5:43*pm, Dave Head > wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:11:49 GMT,
>
> >> (Matthew Russotto) wrote:
> >> >In article >,
> >> >Dave Head > wrote:
>
> >> >>But the real key is the electrification of transportation, which we
> >> >>can do just as soon as somebody invents the magic battery that will
> >> >>hold about 10X the amount of a Li Ion battery does now. *People have
> >> >>claimed at one time or another that they've done it, but then they
> >> >>disappear, never to be heard from again apparently.
>
> >> >Yeah, when someone told them to put up or shut up.
>
> >> Yep. *So far the magic battery remains magic. *Somebody still needs to
> >> invent it.
>
> >can't 'create' energy.... *only change the form of it. * battery cars
> >are not happening yet... they are further away than cheap solar in my
> >view
>
> Battery car happens this fall. *Its called the Chevy Volt. *You can
> power yourself over most of your city without gas. *But if you want to
> crusise the open road, it can do that too. *The lack of the magic
> battery forces a gas engine to make it go after 40 miles. *When the
> magic battery is invented, (if), then it'll likely be retrofitted, and
> the gas engine will be used even less.
>
> If it weren't for the envirowackos, that gas engine would likely be a
> diesel, and this thing would be REALLY efficient.

you might want to pay attention why Toyota does not think plug-in
technology is ready for prime time. What GM is doing is
greenwashing... similar to what they did with their electric car
initiative that they shut down after they got all the PR out of that
they could.l GM was never committed to that direction.