Lack of turning radius

I recently had a problem with my serpentine belt on my 96 Plymouth Grand
Voyager letting go and taking out the seal in the power steering pump. I
took it to a local repair shop and asked them to change out the pump for
me.Not wanting to get into all the details of all the trouble the shop had
with this simple installation but suffice to say that when they had finished
installing the new pump and starting up the van to check for leaks they
discovered that the main seal in the rack and pinion had blown and power
steerring fluid was just pouring out of the seal, they realized that the
pump they had just put in was also leaking and they had to replace that
again.When they did the inital inspection for leaks they only found the pump
was leaking. They shampooed the engine compartment so I know for sure there
where no other leaks showing.

My questions I would like to know are these:

1. Could a defective power steering pump cause the seal to blow in the rack
and pinion.

2. I have since lost the turning radius I had before when making a leftt
hand turn. Is there two different size rack and pinions for this model of
vechicle (ie long and short wheel base)? Could they have installed it
improperly? I have a long wheel base model with 15" wheels. I have went back
and was told that what they did was correct. I am just a little suspicious
because of the shoddy workmanship and service I received on my last visit.

Any info would be appreciated as I am currently in contact with the store
owner and trying to recouver some of the money I had to pay out for the rack
and pinion that was installed, and if they installed it wrong I want to have
it corrected...

Thanks for your replies in advance.....

Tom.

"Tom" > wrote in message
news:jxNfe.34727$0X6.23751@edtnps90...
> I recently had a problem with my serpentine belt on my 96 Plymouth Grand
> Voyager letting go and taking out the seal in the power steering pump. I
> took it to a local repair shop and asked them to change out the pump for
> me.Not wanting to get into all the details of all the trouble the shop had
> with this simple installation but suffice to say that when they had
finished
> installing the new pump and starting up the van to check for leaks they
> discovered that the main seal in the rack and pinion had blown and power
> steerring fluid was just pouring out of the seal, they realized that the
> pump they had just put in was also leaking and they had to replace that
> again.When they did the inital inspection for leaks they only found the
pump
> was leaking. They shampooed the engine compartment so I know for sure
there
> where no other leaks showing.
>
> My questions I would like to know are these:
>
> 1. Could a defective power steering pump cause the seal to blow in the
rack
> and pinion.
>
> 2. I have since lost the turning radius I had before when making a leftt
> hand turn. Is there two different size rack and pinions for this model of
> vechicle (ie long and short wheel base)? Could they have installed it
> improperly? I have a long wheel base model with 15" wheels. I have went
back
> and was told that what they did was correct. I am just a little suspicious
> because of the shoddy workmanship and service I received on my last visit.
>
> Any info would be appreciated as I am currently in contact with the store
> owner and trying to recouver some of the money I had to pay out for the
rack
> and pinion that was installed, and if they installed it wrong I want to
have
> it corrected...
>
> Thanks for your replies in advance.....
>
> Tom.
>
Didnt you post thist awhile back???

I asked the question about the pump blowing the seal in the rack but never
really got a definitive answer about it. I just got a lot of crap about not
doing proper maintaintence on my van.
This post is mostly about the loss of turning ability since the new rack was
put in and if there is something possibly wrong with this rack or
installation.
Besides, so what if I posted this before I certainly have the right to post
it again and seek additional information and not have the likes of people
like you asking if I posted before.If you don't have anything to add to the
post PLEASE just keep your comments to yourself and let someone else reply
with some knowledgeable answers.
Thanks again NOT.....
Tom.

"maxpower" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tom" > wrote in message
> news:jxNfe.34727$0X6.23751@edtnps90...
>> I recently had a problem with my serpentine belt on my 96 Plymouth Grand
>> Voyager letting go and taking out the seal in the power steering pump. I
>> took it to a local repair shop and asked them to change out the pump for
>> me.Not wanting to get into all the details of all the trouble the shop
>> had
>> with this simple installation but suffice to say that when they had
> finished
>> installing the new pump and starting up the van to check for leaks they
>> discovered that the main seal in the rack and pinion had blown and power
>> steerring fluid was just pouring out of the seal, they realized that the
>> pump they had just put in was also leaking and they had to replace that
>> again.When they did the inital inspection for leaks they only found the
> pump
>> was leaking. They shampooed the engine compartment so I know for sure
> there
>> where no other leaks showing.
>>
>> My questions I would like to know are these:
>>
>> 1. Could a defective power steering pump cause the seal to blow in the
> rack
>> and pinion.
>>
>> 2. I have since lost the turning radius I had before when making a leftt
>> hand turn. Is there two different size rack and pinions for this model of
>> vechicle (ie long and short wheel base)? Could they have installed it
>> improperly? I have a long wheel base model with 15" wheels. I have went
> back
>> and was told that what they did was correct. I am just a little
>> suspicious
>> because of the shoddy workmanship and service I received on my last
>> visit.
>>
>> Any info would be appreciated as I am currently in contact with the store
>> owner and trying to recouver some of the money I had to pay out for the
> rack
>> and pinion that was installed, and if they installed it wrong I want to
> have
>> it corrected...
>>
>> Thanks for your replies in advance.....
>>
>> Tom.
>>
> Didnt you post thist awhile back???
>
>

Hey don't go off on Maxpower. He IS one of the best posters on this group.
All he did was ask so just can it.
"Tom" > wrote in message
news:_rUfe.35778$0X6.27510@edtnps90...
>I asked the question about the pump blowing the seal in the rack but never
>really got a definitive answer about it. I just got a lot of crap about not
>doing proper maintaintence on my van.
> This post is mostly about the loss of turning ability since the new rack
> was put in and if there is something possibly wrong with this rack or
> installation.
> Besides, so what if I posted this before I certainly have the right to
> post it again and seek additional information and not have the likes of
> people like you asking if I posted before.If you don't have anything to
> add to the post PLEASE just keep your comments to yourself and let someone
> else reply with some knowledgeable answers.
> Thanks again NOT.....
> Tom.
>
> "maxpower" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Tom" > wrote in message
>> news:jxNfe.34727$0X6.23751@edtnps90...
>>> I recently had a problem with my serpentine belt on my 96 Plymouth Grand
>>> Voyager letting go and taking out the seal in the power steering pump. I
>>> took it to a local repair shop and asked them to change out the pump for
>>> me.Not wanting to get into all the details of all the trouble the shop
>>> had
>>> with this simple installation but suffice to say that when they had
>> finished
>>> installing the new pump and starting up the van to check for leaks they
>>> discovered that the main seal in the rack and pinion had blown and power
>>> steerring fluid was just pouring out of the seal, they realized that the
>>> pump they had just put in was also leaking and they had to replace that
>>> again.When they did the inital inspection for leaks they only found the
>> pump
>>> was leaking. They shampooed the engine compartment so I know for sure
>> there
>>> where no other leaks showing.
>>>
>>> My questions I would like to know are these:
>>>
>>> 1. Could a defective power steering pump cause the seal to blow in the
>> rack
>>> and pinion.
>>>
>>> 2. I have since lost the turning radius I had before when making a leftt
>>> hand turn. Is there two different size rack and pinions for this model
>>> of
>>> vechicle (ie long and short wheel base)? Could they have installed it
>>> improperly? I have a long wheel base model with 15" wheels. I have went
>> back
>>> and was told that what they did was correct. I am just a little
>>> suspicious
>>> because of the shoddy workmanship and service I received on my last
>>> visit.
>>>
>>> Any info would be appreciated as I am currently in contact with the
>>> store
>>> owner and trying to recouver some of the money I had to pay out for the
>> rack
>>> and pinion that was installed, and if they installed it wrong I want to
>> have
>>> it corrected...
>>>
>>> Thanks for your replies in advance.....
>>>
>>> Tom.
>>>
>> Didnt you post thist awhile back???
>>
>>
>
>

"jdoe" > wrote in message
news:vD0ge.68422$r53.65882@attbi_s21...
> Hey don't go off on Maxpower. He IS one of the best posters on
this group.
> All he did was ask so just can it.
> "Tom" > wrote in message
> news:_rUfe.35778$0X6.27510@edtnps90...
> >I asked the question about the pump blowing the seal in the
rack but never

Well, frequent anyway......

On Tue, 10 May 2005, jdoe wrote:

> Hey don't go off on Maxpower. He IS one of the best posters on this group.

Sure, for fun and amusement.

For actual, real, valid information, though, or for general
coherence...mmm...perhaps not.

DS

"Tom" > wrote in message
news:_rUfe.35778$0X6.27510@edtnps90...
> I asked the question about the pump blowing the seal in the rack but never
> really got a definitive answer about it. I just got a lot of crap about
not
> doing proper maintaintence on my van.
> This post is mostly about the loss of turning ability since the new rack
was
> put in and if there is something possibly wrong with this rack or
> installation.
> Besides, so what if I posted this before I certainly have the right to
post
> it again and seek additional information and not have the likes of people
> like you asking if I posted before.If you don't have anything to add to
the
> post PLEASE just keep your comments to yourself and let someone else reply
> with some knowledgeable answers.
> Thanks again NOT.....
> Tom.
>
> "maxpower" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Tom" > wrote in message
> > news:jxNfe.34727$0X6.23751@edtnps90...
> >> I recently had a problem with my serpentine belt on my 96 Plymouth
Grand
> >> Voyager letting go and taking out the seal in the power steering pump.
I
> >> took it to a local repair shop and asked them to change out the pump
for
> >> me.Not wanting to get into all the details of all the trouble the shop
> >> had
> >> with this simple installation but suffice to say that when they had
> > finished
> >> installing the new pump and starting up the van to check for leaks they
> >> discovered that the main seal in the rack and pinion had blown and
power
> >> steerring fluid was just pouring out of the seal, they realized that
the
> >> pump they had just put in was also leaking and they had to replace that
> >> again.When they did the inital inspection for leaks they only found the
> > pump
> >> was leaking. They shampooed the engine compartment so I know for sure
> > there
> >> where no other leaks showing.
> >>
> >> My questions I would like to know are these:
> >>
> >> 1. Could a defective power steering pump cause the seal to blow in the
> > rack
> >> and pinion.
> >>
> >> 2. I have since lost the turning radius I had before when making a
leftt
> >> hand turn. Is there two different size rack and pinions for this model
of
> >> vechicle (ie long and short wheel base)? Could they have installed it
> >> improperly? I have a long wheel base model with 15" wheels. I have went
> > back
> >> and was told that what they did was correct. I am just a little
> >> suspicious
> >> because of the shoddy workmanship and service I received on my last
> >> visit.
> >>
> >> Any info would be appreciated as I am currently in contact with the
store
> >> owner and trying to recouver some of the money I had to pay out for the
> > rack
> >> and pinion that was installed, and if they installed it wrong I want to
> > have
> >> it corrected...
> >>
> >> Thanks for your replies in advance.....
> >>
> >> Tom.
> >>
> > Didnt you post thist awhile back???
> >
> >
>
>

Hmm it was just a quesiton. good luck in finding what you need

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
> On Tue, 10 May 2005, jdoe wrote:
>
> > Hey don't go off on Maxpower. He IS one of the best posters on this
group.
>
> Sure, for fun and amusement.
>
> For actual, real, valid information, though, or for general
> coherence...mmm...perhaps not.
>
> DS

Lite bulb back again? Makes his stupid comments and then hides behinds his
screen, Is that what you do to your customers Stern?

"jdoe" > wrote in message
news:vD0ge.68422$r53.65882@attbi_s21...
> Hey don't go off on Maxpower. He IS one of the best posters on this group.
> All he did was ask so just can it.
> "Tom" > wrote in message
> news:_rUfe.35778$0X6.27510@edtnps90...
> >I asked the question about the pump blowing the seal in the rack but
never
> >really got a definitive answer about it. I just got a lot of crap about
not
> >doing proper maintaintence on my van.
> > This post is mostly about the loss of turning ability since the new rack
> > was put in and if there is something possibly wrong with this rack or
> > installation.
> > Besides, so what if I posted this before I certainly have the right to
> > post it again and seek additional information and not have the likes of
> > people like you asking if I posted before.If you don't have anything to
> > add to the post PLEASE just keep your comments to yourself and let
someone
> > else reply with some knowledgeable answers.
> > Thanks again NOT.....
> > Tom.
> >
> > "maxpower" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Tom" > wrote in message
> >> news:jxNfe.34727$0X6.23751@edtnps90...
> >>> I recently had a problem with my serpentine belt on my 96 Plymouth
Grand
> >>> Voyager letting go and taking out the seal in the power steering pump.
I
> >>> took it to a local repair shop and asked them to change out the pump
for
> >>> me.Not wanting to get into all the details of all the trouble the shop
> >>> had
> >>> with this simple installation but suffice to say that when they had
> >> finished
> >>> installing the new pump and starting up the van to check for leaks
they
> >>> discovered that the main seal in the rack and pinion had blown and
power
> >>> steerring fluid was just pouring out of the seal, they realized that
the
> >>> pump they had just put in was also leaking and they had to replace
that
> >>> again.When they did the inital inspection for leaks they only found
the
> >> pump
> >>> was leaking. They shampooed the engine compartment so I know for sure
> >> there
> >>> where no other leaks showing.
> >>>
> >>> My questions I would like to know are these:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Could a defective power steering pump cause the seal to blow in the
> >> rack
> >>> and pinion.
> >>>
> >>> 2. I have since lost the turning radius I had before when making a
leftt
> >>> hand turn. Is there two different size rack and pinions for this model
> >>> of
> >>> vechicle (ie long and short wheel base)? Could they have installed it
> >>> improperly? I have a long wheel base model with 15" wheels. I have
went
> >> back
> >>> and was told that what they did was correct. I am just a little
> >>> suspicious
> >>> because of the shoddy workmanship and service I received on my last
> >>> visit.
> >>>
> >>> Any info would be appreciated as I am currently in contact with the
> >>> store
> >>> owner and trying to recouver some of the money I had to pay out for
the
> >> rack
> >>> and pinion that was installed, and if they installed it wrong I want
to
> >> have
> >>> it corrected...
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your replies in advance.....
> >>>
> >>> Tom.
> >>>
> >> Didnt you post thist awhile back???
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
Thx Joe

The answer to your question is that yes they either installed the wrong
rack or installed it wrong. Make them fix it right or take it somewhere
else & have it fixed right & give them the bill. Of course you may have to
sue...
It may be that they simply have the tie rods mis-adjusted toward one side.
It would line up, but not turn as far in one direction. Perhaps a good
alinement shop could check it for you.
HTH,
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

If you can't take the heat, get out of the nuclear reactor.