Type question

I'm confused.

Exactly what is the type III vw? I was thinking it was the fastback but
now someone is telling me that it's the Gia.

Reason I ask. My dune buggy has a type III motor or it was till I
changed it and the front end is from the same car. This is a long body
copy of a Manx buggy. '66 motor and front. Was the frame the same on
the Beetle and Gia or whatever type I have in '66?

No real reason, just wondering and thought it might generate some
interesting discussion.

<><
TC

wrote:

> I'm confused.
>
> Exactly what is the type III vw? I was thinking it was the fastback but
> now someone is telling me that it's the Gia.
>
> Reason I ask. My dune buggy has a type III motor or it was till I
> changed it and the front end is from the same car. This is a long body
> copy of a Manx buggy. '66 motor and front. Was the frame the same on
> the Beetle and Gia or whatever type I have in '66?
>
> No real reason, just wondering and thought it might generate some
> interesting discussion.
>
> <><
> TC
>

http://www.type3.org/






Speedy Jim
http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/

Type I's were the bug and the Ghia
Type II's are the bus chassis.. ie bus, kombi, camper, single-cab,
double-cab, etc...
Type III's were a line that included a fastback, notchback and squareback.
... and here's where it gets confusing, type IV's were also available in a
fastback and squareback.
then another story entirely.. Type 181 was the Thing.

notable about the type III's is they have the "pancake" engine arrangement
instead of upright. This required different shrouding, generator stand, etc
in order to fit under the rear floor or trunk floor of the car.

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> I'm confused.
>
> Exactly what is the type III vw? I was thinking it was the fastback but
> now someone is telling me that it's the Gia.
>
> Reason I ask. My dune buggy has a type III motor or it was till I
> changed it and the front end is from the same car. This is a long body
> copy of a Manx buggy. '66 motor and front. Was the frame the same on
> the Beetle and Gia or whatever type I have in '66?
>
> No real reason, just wondering and thought it might generate some
> interesting discussion.
>
> <><
> TC
>

Thats what I thought. Were the type III the same frame as the Beetle?
<><
TC

The type 3 uses a wider frame. It's very similar to the Type 1 Karmann Ghia
and the Type 181 Thing.
Andy

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Thats what I thought. Were the type III the same frame as the Beetle?
> <><
> TC
>

>From: "Ed B"

>Type I's were the bug and the Ghia

>then another story entirely.. Type 181 was the Thing.
>

the type 181 was a type 1...

>Type III's were a line that included a fastback, notchback and squareback.

there was a type 3 ghia also...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2FD52B5A

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"I'm ever so thankful for the Internet; it has allowed me to keep a finger in
the pie and to make some small contribution to those younger who will carry the
air-cooled legend forward"
Jim Mais
Feb. 2004

On 29 Jan 2005 14:57:56 -0800 wrote:

>Exactly what is the type III vw? I was thinking it was the fastback but
>now someone is telling me that it's the Gia.

The Ghia you're familiar with is a type 1; it has the same basic
mechanicals as the Beetle. There IS a type 3 Ghia, but you've probably
never seen one. Almost everything in the front axle beam, pan, rear
suspension, and engine is different between type 1 and type 3 cars.

Here's a fairly complete explanation of the VW aircooled types. It's
copied from an earlier post from Erik Meltzer.

On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:07:28 +0200 Erik Meltzer > wrote:

> TYPES OF CARS
>
> Type 1: Bug and Relatives
> Type 11: Bug and 71-72 Super Beetle (1302)
> Type 13: 73-75 Super Beetle (1303)
> Type 14: "small" Karmann Ghia coupe and convertible
> Type 147: post delivery van "Fridolin"
> Type 15: Bug and Super Beetle convertible
> Type 181: jeepish army vehicle "181" aka "Thing"
>
> Type 2: Bus, Transporter, Camper
> Type 21: Panel Van
> Type 22: Bus
> Type 23: Kombi, Camper
> Type 24: Deluxe Bus
> Type 26: Pickup (Singlecab and Crewcab)
> Type 27: Ambulance
>
> Type 3: VW 1500, 1600
> Notchback
> Fastback aka TL
> Squareback aka Variant
> Type 34: "large" Karmann Ghia coupe
>
> Type 4: VW 411, 412
> Fastback (2-dr, 4-dr)
> Squareback aka Variant (2-dr only)
>
> (Are there sub-Types like for the Type 1 and 2,
> for the Type 3 and 4 too? I'd love to know them!)
>
>
> GENERATIONS OF TYPE 2 CARS
>
> T1: 1950-67, Splitty aka Split-window
> T1a: 1950-55, Barndoor
> T1b: 1955-63, narrow rear hatch
> T1c: 1964-67, wide rear hatch
>
> T2: 1968-79, Bay(window) aka (bread)Loaf
> T2a: 1968-71, Type 1 engines only
> T2a/b: 1972, Type 4 available, but old nose still
> T2b: 1973-79, new nose and bumpers
>
> T3: 1980-92, Vanagon aka Wedge
> Aircooled Type 1 (not US) and Type 4 engines
> From 1982, Diesel inline engine available
> From 1984, watercooled boxers replace aircooleds
>
> T4: 1990-today, Eurovan
> Offtopic here ;-)
>
>
> TYPES OF ENGINES
>
> Type 1 engine or "upright"
> Used in all Type 1 cars (hence the name) and in all Type 2 cars
> until and including model year 1979 (T1 and T2). US market:
> in Type 2 cars until and including model year 1971 (T1 and T2a).
>
> Type 3 engine (some call it Type 1 too though)
> Modified Type 1 engine with redesigned cooling system, much
> flatter. Used in all Type 3 cars.
>
> Type 4 engine or "pancake"
> All-new design. First used in Type 4 cars (hence the name),
> also used in Type 2 cars from 1972 (standard in US, optionally
> elsewhere), in the VW-Porsche 914/4 and in the Porsche 912 E
> (a fuel-saving 911 derivative).
>
>
>Airhowlingly yours,
> Erik.

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Jim Adney
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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My understanding that Type 3 Ghia is the razoredge ? if so, we have a
splattering over here. Very nice cars.
http://home.earthlink.net/~johnnyvw/type34.html

James

"Jim Adney" > wrote in message
...
> On 29 Jan 2005 14:57:56 -0800 wrote:
>
> >Exactly what is the type III vw? I was thinking it was the fastback but
> >now someone is telling me that it's the Gia.
>
> The Ghia you're familiar with is a type 1; it has the same basic
> mechanicals as the Beetle. There IS a type 3 Ghia, but you've probably
> never seen one. Almost everything in the front axle beam, pan, rear
> suspension, and engine is different between type 1 and type 3 cars.
>
> Here's a fairly complete explanation of the VW aircooled types. It's
> copied from an earlier post from Erik Meltzer.
>
> On Tue, 01 Jun 1999 09:07:28 +0200 Erik Meltzer > wrote:
>
> > TYPES OF CARS
> >
> > Type 1: Bug and Relatives
> > Type 11: Bug and 71-72 Super Beetle (1302)
> > Type 13: 73-75 Super Beetle (1303)
> > Type 14: "small" Karmann Ghia coupe and convertible
> > Type 147: post delivery van "Fridolin"
> > Type 15: Bug and Super Beetle convertible
> > Type 181: jeepish army vehicle "181" aka "Thing"
> >
> > Type 2: Bus, Transporter, Camper
> > Type 21: Panel Van
> > Type 22: Bus
> > Type 23: Kombi, Camper
> > Type 24: Deluxe Bus
> > Type 26: Pickup (Singlecab and Crewcab)
> > Type 27: Ambulance
> >
> > Type 3: VW 1500, 1600
> > Notchback
> > Fastback aka TL
> > Squareback aka Variant
> > Type 34: "large" Karmann Ghia coupe
> >
> > Type 4: VW 411, 412
> > Fastback (2-dr, 4-dr)
> > Squareback aka Variant (2-dr only)
> >
> > (Are there sub-Types like for the Type 1 and 2,
> > for the Type 3 and 4 too? I'd love to know them!)
> >
> >
> > GENERATIONS OF TYPE 2 CARS
> >
> > T1: 1950-67, Splitty aka Split-window
> > T1a: 1950-55, Barndoor
> > T1b: 1955-63, narrow rear hatch
> > T1c: 1964-67, wide rear hatch
> >
> > T2: 1968-79, Bay(window) aka (bread)Loaf
> > T2a: 1968-71, Type 1 engines only
> > T2a/b: 1972, Type 4 available, but old nose still
> > T2b: 1973-79, new nose and bumpers
> >
> > T3: 1980-92, Vanagon aka Wedge
> > Aircooled Type 1 (not US) and Type 4 engines
> > From 1982, Diesel inline engine available
> > From 1984, watercooled boxers replace aircooleds
> >
> > T4: 1990-today, Eurovan
> > Offtopic here ;-)
> >
> >
> > TYPES OF ENGINES
> >
> > Type 1 engine or "upright"
> > Used in all Type 1 cars (hence the name) and in all Type 2 cars
> > until and including model year 1979 (T1 and T2). US market:
> > in Type 2 cars until and including model year 1971 (T1 and T2a).
> >
> > Type 3 engine (some call it Type 1 too though)
> > Modified Type 1 engine with redesigned cooling system, much
> > flatter. Used in all Type 3 cars.
> >
> > Type 4 engine or "pancake"
> > All-new design. First used in Type 4 cars (hence the name),
> > also used in Type 2 cars from 1972 (standard in US, optionally
> > elsewhere), in the VW-Porsche 914/4 and in the Porsche 912 E
> > (a fuel-saving 911 derivative).
> >
> >
> >Airhowlingly yours,
> > Erik.
>
> -
> -----------------------------------------------
> Jim Adney
> Madison, WI 53711 USA
> -----------------------------------------------

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 10:14:45 -0000 "Juper Wort" >
wrote:

>My understanding that Type 3 Ghia is the razoredge ? if so, we have a
>splattering over here. Very nice cars.
>http://home.earthlink.net/~johnnyvw/type34.html

Yes, there are a few, and they are greatly loved and admired by all
who know them well.

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Jim Adney
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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