Switching from 2WD to 4x4

On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:20:19 -0500, Mike Romain >
wrote:

>If that is the case, then I think you are totally insane and a hazard
>that should 'not' be allowed on the road.

Spoken by someone that think they have all the answers. I have been
driving the a LOT longer than you
>
>I can't imagine someone who would be stupid enough to stop on any of our
>Canadian high speed highways or any others for that matter in the winter
>time to shift gears.

I cannot image someone stupid enough to drive in 4lo on highways.
Maybe it is because they have big tires and improper final drive
ratios for them and try to make up for it by running 4lo. These are
the one that never bother to regear axles when they use larger tires
because they feel it does not effect anything and then defend using
4lo as a solution. Bizzare!

>
>That thought just boggles the mind....

Yes it is mind boggling that you are so dense on this

>
>Sorry officer about that 70 car pile up I just caused. You see, I saw
>snow coming and the road got covered so had to stop to shift gears
>according to this guy on the Internet... I didn't think the semi
>tractor trailer behind me would mind....

Again you do not habe a clue and 4lo wass not designed for highway use
nor needed either. If it is it is because your vehcile is geared wrong
as stated above.

>
>4 high in a part time tranny needs to be a shift on the fly or it is too
>dangerous to use in my opinion.

It depends on how you define on the fly. People such as you think 4x4
is a cure all but one day you will spin out bad at speed with it and I
am glad you are not around me and I hope that you do not take some
other poor sole with you. Detriot has pushed 4x4 into main stream for
people just like you that think it is truely magic. The only 4x4 drive
system that I would ever use at highway type speeds in winter is the
old fulltime systems like GM, Ford and Dodge had for a while in 70's
and Jeep did to with quadratrac (I still have a 79 Qtrac J20) These
setups had a differntail between front and rear axle so there was no
torque bind and wheels could turn differing speeds because of
differing rolling radius in turns and such and still maintain full
surface contact because no slipage is inducted to relieve torque bind
that will occur with conventional 4x4 drive. These fulltime systems
performed far better than conventional 4x4 at speed and had the abilty
to be locked as a conventional drive system too if need be. For a work
truck and offroad vehicle this would still be the best possible setup
but not the best for cruiseing long distances on dry pavement because
of extra fuel needed to run it and a little extra wear and tear. For a
while in 80's Jeep had a neat setup that you select 2wd, fulltime 4x4
and locaked 4x4 drive.. It is a shame that Detroit does not have that
today as the defacto standard.
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:32:06 -0500, "Bill KB3GUN"
> wrote:

>
>I think SnowMan was speaking of going between 4Hi and 4Lo, not 2Hi to 4Hi.


I was as I stated.
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So you 'are' totally insane it would seem.

You are an ass that likes to cut out words to change the subject.

Lets put the words back in where they were shall we....
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SnoMan wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:47:38 -0500, Mike Romain >
> wrote:
>
>> As I mentioned, I think it would be total insanity to have to stop
to go into or out of 4 high. I didn't think Ford was that bad.....
>
>
> Gee I always stop to do so and have for over 30 years.

If that is the case, then I think you are totally insane and a hazard
that should 'not' be allowed on the road.
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No where was anyone talking about using 4 low on the highway.

'You' pointedly stated 'you' stop to put it into 4 high.

You are just a plain asshole.

Mike

SnoMan wrote:
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SnoMan wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:32:06 -0500, "Bill KB3GUN"
> > wrote:
>
>> I think SnowMan was speaking of going between 4Hi and 4Lo, not 2Hi to 4Hi.
>
>
> I was as I stated.
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> TheSnoMan.com

Which was, and I quote:

SnoMan wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:47:38 -0500, Mike Romain >
> wrote:
>
>> As I mentioned, I think it would be total insanity to have to stop
to go into or out of 4 high. I didn't think Ford was that bad.....
>
>
> Gee I always stop to do so and have for over 30 years.

If that is the case, then I think you are totally insane and a hazard
that should 'not' be allowed on the road.
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My opinion stands, 4 low was not mentioned...

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Mike Romain wrote:
> SnoMan wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:32:06 -0500, "Bill KB3GUN"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> I think SnowMan was speaking of going between 4Hi and 4Lo, not 2Hi to 4Hi.
>>
>>
>> I was as I stated.
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>> TheSnoMan.com
>
> Which was, and I quote:
>
> SnoMan wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:47:38 -0500, Mike Romain >
>> wrote:

It looks like SnoMan missed this bit:

>>> On our Jeeps, we have to be stopped or better just rolling slowly to put
>>> them into 4 low.

And read this as if you were still talking about 4low <-> 4high

>>> As I mentioned, I think it would be total insanity to have to stop to go
> into or out of 4 high. I didn't think Ford was that bad.....
>>
>>
>> Gee I always stop to do so and have for over 30 years.


If you keep reading what he wrote, you eventually get to

> the shift. I shift in and out a low range a LOT in winter plowing snow

I was also confused until I realized he just misread what you were
saying. You're both saying you need to stop (or almost stop) to switch
between 4 low and 4 high.


IMHO both of you are among the more competent people on this group.

Ivan

Ivan Jager wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Mike Romain wrote:
>> SnoMan wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 07:32:06 -0500, "Bill KB3GUN"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think SnowMan was speaking of going between 4Hi and 4Lo, not 2Hi
>>>> to 4Hi.
>>>
>>>
>>> I was as I stated.
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>>> TheSnoMan.com
>>
>> Which was, and I quote:
>>
>> SnoMan wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 09:47:38 -0500, Mike Romain >
>>> wrote:
>
> It looks like SnoMan missed this bit:
>
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> Ivan


Unfortunately he was not confused one little bit. He cut and pasted my
comment about 4 high and chose to reply to that one comment on purpose.

This 'person' is a hazard to the world by giving out 'really' bad advise
on a world wide forum.

If people followed his advise in this one thread alone, let along the
others, they would likely die.

A person would have to be totally insane or have a death wish to do as
he promotes, which is stopping on the highway in a snow storm to shift
gears into 4 high.

In the past, this same 'person' has insisted 4x4 should not be used on
the highway at all, let along shifting into or out of 4 high and like
the asshole he comes across as also cut and pasted BS about that too.

Why he even posts on a 4x4 groups is beyond me.

He forgets Usenet keeps written records...

He might want to play word games, but when he plays them with me about
people's lives, I'll call a spade a spade or an asshole an asshole.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
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"truckdummy23" > wrote in message
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> It’s a 1997 Ford, Expidition auto transmission...I was told to come to
> a complete stop and put truck in n or park to switch..not sure if that
> is necessary..;thanks

It's only necessary when shifting into 4-low range. The Ford Expedition,
just like virtually all other modern 4-wheel drives, can be shifted to/from
2-high and 4-high at any speed.

On Mar 10, 3:48 pm, "Ron Hinds" > wrote:
> "truckdummy23" > wrote in message
>
> news:980910_93a07ee48a667ab1fe4513048b76b93b@0000. com...
>
> > It's a 1997 Ford, Expidition auto transmission...I was told to come to
> > a complete stop and put truck in n or park to switch..not sure if that
> > is necessary..;thanks
>
> It's only necessary when shifting into 4-low range. The Ford Expedition,
> just like virtually all other modern 4-wheel drives, can be shifted to/from
> 2-high and 4-high at any speed.

i almost dont want to post something on this thread cause i might get
stabbed for it! but just wanted to put my 2 cents in about this. I
have an '88 Bronco II with push button 4x4 and i everytime ive engaged
it i always try to think ahead about whether or not there will be snow
on the ground or not if theres a good possibility then i simply just
drive in 4 wheel, there is only a handfull of times in which i
switched into 4 high on the highway and in those cases i just like to
slow down to 30 mph to do so (highways around here are not busy at all
so this is possible without posing a hazard) the only reason i slow
down is that it seems to me like it would simply just be hard on the
system, i might be wrong but thats just the way it seems to me, i do
feel comfy switching it OUT of 4 high at any speed tho.

> wrote in message
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> On Mar 10, 3:48 pm, "Ron Hinds" > wrote:
>> "truckdummy23" > wrote in message
>>
>> news:980910_93a07ee48a667ab1fe4513048b76b93b@0000. com...
>>
>> > It's a 1997 Ford, Expidition auto transmission...I was told to come to
>> > a complete stop and put truck in n or park to switch..not sure if that
>> > is necessary..;thanks
>>
>> It's only necessary when shifting into 4-low range. The Ford Expedition,
>> just like virtually all other modern 4-wheel drives, can be shifted
>> to/from
>> 2-high and 4-high at any speed.
>
> i almost dont want to post something on this thread cause i might get
> stabbed for it! but just wanted to put my 2 cents in about this. I
> have an '88 Bronco II with push button 4x4 and i everytime ive engaged
> it i always try to think ahead about whether or not there will be snow
> on the ground or not if theres a good possibility then i simply just
> drive in 4 wheel, there is only a handfull of times in which i
> switched into 4 high on the highway and in those cases i just like to
> slow down to 30 mph to do so (highways around here are not busy at all
> so this is possible without posing a hazard) the only reason i slow
> down is that it seems to me like it would simply just be hard on the
> system, i might be wrong but thats just the way it seems to me, i do
> feel comfy switching it OUT of 4 high at any speed tho.

My experience is based on a friend who had a '90 Ranger 4x4 and another
friend who had a '94 Explorer 4x4. Both were push button shift-on-the-fly
transfer cases, at least to/from 2-High and 4-High. There were a few
drawbacks to the system these two vehicles used. 1) The light to indicate
4WD was engaged came on when the button was pressed, not when the front
wheel automatic locking hubs actually engaged; 2) The reason why number one
was a problem is that the only way the front auto-locking hubs ever got
lubricated was when the 4WD was engaged. If you didn't use 4WD for long
periods of time, the hubs wouldn't get lubricated and when you needed 4WD,
they would freeze and not engage the locks; 3) Assuming they did actually
lock, in order to unlock the front hubs you had to stop the vehicle, put it
in reverse and back up a certain distance (25 feet, IIRC). So while you
could shift the transfer case back from 4-high to 2-high on-the-fly, the
front hubs would remain locked until you followed that procedure. I don't
know if the '97 Expedition had those same drawbacks, but I'm sure they still
would have had the shift-on-the-fly capability (hopefully improved!).