How many here use TrackIR?

This post is spot on! I think the original poster has fallen into the trap
of wanting to be too comfortable with using a sim. It's this attitude that
has dumded down this hobby.

The point about being able to focus and concentrate while being thrown
around, is a very salient one. This hobby will not be seen a feeder route
into real life racing unless it introduced some of the inconvenient and
uncomfortable realities of the real thing to racer wanting to cross over.

But what we have is a user base that is steering sim racing from a position
of ignorance, toward a perceived reality that doesn't exist.


"==--==" > wrote in message
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> Hi Gumby
>
> This is not meant in an attacking way at all but have you ever been in a
> car going over 160 mph? (Um, just in case that is like 240 kph)
>
> I wonder because I have more than once and I can tell you that my
> head/eyes were NOT moving "with the car". Assuming (as we should in the
> case of a race car) a stiff suspensioned car.... you would not beleive the
> physical impacts of track imperfections. Your eyes and your car are NOT
> attached. I haven't driven on a race track that was smooth enough (no
> ovals here) to make my vision "move with the car" at speeds over 150 mph.
>
> Your body is getting rattled.... the sealbelts (5 point) save you in a
> crash but they "HOLD YOU IN THE CAR" when you aren't crashing too! Ever
> notice an F1 drivers head popping up and down as he accellerated and
> braked?? Ya think he wants that to be happening - 'cause I'm sure he
> doesn't.
>
> HANS device --- Head and Neck Support
> -- an attempt to more substantially connect the "head"/eyes to the car.
> Prior to the hans device drivers were killed because the car stopped
> suddenly, their body -restrained by the 5 point- stopped suddenly.... but
> the HEAD (and eyes) not being restrained, did not stop as suddenly and was
> stretched "beyond comfort" for the body and spine. (verbage used to
> minimize graphic detail)
>
> The car is "tight" "stiff" and "lively" --- your head and eyes are
> somewhat (within limits of a human) in freespace.
>
> Racers tend to dislike CLOCKWISE rotation tracks. Why?
> The reason is that their bodies have been "conditioned" to manage all the
> bumps, lumps, g-forces, et al of racing on a COUNTER-CLOCKWISE track
> (which is much more prevalent) Racing on a counter-clockwise track is
> hard on the neck and shoulders. I personally think it affects your "track
> line vision" in the same way.
>
> Personally speaking... I think eyesight and being able to manage the
> "vibrations/ up / down/ sudden surface impact/ changes/ etc." and having
> the ability to focus quickly and accurately on multiple moving as well as
> stationary objects all at the same time is a bit a special skill (or
> requirement) for a successful race driver.
>
> I have my "head vibration" and "look to apex" turned on in rFactor and I
> think it adds to my immersion and thus pleasure.
>
>
> *** Of course this is all IMPO - so you can ignore if you like ***
> --
>
>
> "Gumby" > wrote in message
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>> "Roger Longcock" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> I use TrackIR in flight sims but never really liked it in racing sims
>>> due to the problems you describe. Wider or multiple monitors are a
>>> much better solution. As for the bouncing, that is very realistic in
>>> rFactor.
>>
>> But in a real car you bounce with the car. In rFactor you are not
>> actually
>> in the car so you feel like you are fighting against the bouncing. A
>> little
>> bouncing is good but in rFactor there is a bit too much for my liking.
>>
>> I found out I needed more deadzone for TrackIR to work well in racing
>> games. F1 Challenge works real well with it as that doesn't have too much
>> bouncing, just a little. I've got most of my racing sims working with it
>> well now, just need to do a bit more tweaking on the roll rate and
>> deadzone. I found I needed to adjust default FOV too because with TRackIR
>> on my default view was bit too far back in the car. TrackIR is expensive
>> considering for not much more I could get a Wii that uses basically the
>> same technology and offers you lot more than just motion sensing. Still,
>> I
>> like TrackIR so am glad I bought it.
>
>

"Roger Longcock" > wrote in
:

> This post is spot on! I think the original poster has fallen into the
> trap of wanting to be too comfortable with using a sim. It's this
> attitude that has dumded down this hobby.
>
> The point about being able to focus and concentrate while being thrown
> around, is a very salient one. This hobby will not be seen a feeder
> route into real life racing unless it introduced some of the
> inconvenient and uncomfortable realities of the real thing to racer
> wanting to cross over.
>
> But what we have is a user base that is steering sim racing from a
> position of ignorance, toward a perceived reality that doesn't exist.

No, dumbass, my point is that in a real car you are moving with the G-
Forces and raod bumps and can feel them and not stationary like when on
your PC. Surely, even a 10 year old can understand the difference? Why not
you? And just so you know, I've been playing racing sims since the days of
Papyrus IndyCar Racing so am not new to this game at all.

"==--==" > wrote in
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> I have my "head vibration" and "look to apex" turned on in rFactor and
> I think it adds to my immersion and thus pleasure.

I only turned that off because I am using TrackIR. Are you using TrackIR?
Why would I have the game artificially move the view to look into the apex
when with TrackIR I am already doing that myself? I can only assume you
don't have TRackIR and your post was a complete waste because you don't
even understand what I was talking about.

> *** Of course this is all IMPO - so you can ignore if you like
> *** --

I ignored 90% of it because you don't seem to understand the difference
between moving with G-Forces and bumps in the road and sitting stationary
in a computer chair with no forces to be felt at all. You seem to have the
same issue of understanding basic laws of physics as that dumbass Longcock.
Don't play "know it all" with me when it is obviuous you are talking out of
your butt crack.

Yup - you're right.

My message was a waste of time --- you're too stupid to get it.

Thank You

==--==

"Gumby" > wrote in message
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> "==--==" > wrote in
> news:HdzZj.159256$rd2.114940@pd7urf3no:
>
>> I have my "head vibration" and "look to apex" turned on in rFactor and
>> I think it adds to my immersion and thus pleasure.
>
> I only turned that off because I am using TrackIR. Are you using TrackIR?
> Why would I have the game artificially move the view to look into the apex
> when with TrackIR I am already doing that myself? I can only assume you
> don't have TRackIR and your post was a complete waste because you don't
> even understand what I was talking about.
>
>> *** Of course this is all IMPO - so you can ignore if you like
>> *** --
>
> I ignored 90% of it because you don't seem to understand the difference
> between moving with G-Forces and bumps in the road and sitting stationary
> in a computer chair with no forces to be felt at all. You seem to have the
> same issue of understanding basic laws of physics as that dumbass
> Longcock.
> Don't play "know it all" with me when it is obviuous you are talking out
> of
> your butt crack.