In-the-tank fuel pumps cause death and destruction

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:01:04 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
> wrote:

>
>"shiden_kai" > wrote in message
>news:XyWgd.72729$Pl.62327@pd7tw1no...
>
>> really a different topic and has nothing to do with what lock
>> washers are trying to achieve.
>>
>
>Lock washers don't always work either. If I am bolting something
>that needs to stay bolted I'll use a lock nut with a deformed thread
>section, or take a standard nut and turn it into a locknut with a deformed
>section with a hammer and punch.
>
>Ted
>
Called a "stover nut". Acceptable under the cowl on a plane, where
nylocls and peletted bolts don't pass muster.

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:01:04 -0700, "Ted Mittelstaedt"
> wrote:

>
>"shiden_kai" > wrote in message
>news:XyWgd.72729$Pl.62327@pd7tw1no...
>
>> really a different topic and has nothing to do with what lock
>> washers are trying to achieve.
>>
>
>Lock washers don't always work either. If I am bolting something
>that needs to stay bolted I'll use a lock nut with a deformed thread
>section, or take a standard nut and turn it into a locknut with a deformed
>section with a hammer and punch.
>
>Ted
>
Called a "stover nut". Acceptable under the cowl on a plane, where
nylocls and peletted bolts don't pass muster.

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:56:46 -0400,
wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:26:21 -0400, Full_Name >
>wrote:
><snip>
>
>What beetle had gravity feed?

If I recall correctly quite a few with the gas heaters used that
system for the heaters. But I wouldn't doubt but that there's
regional differences & my memory may be cloudy as virtually all
original beetle's in this area have returned to mother nature many
many years ago.

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:56:46 -0400,
wrote:

>On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:26:21 -0400, Full_Name >
>wrote:
><snip>
>
>What beetle had gravity feed?

If I recall correctly quite a few with the gas heaters used that
system for the heaters. But I wouldn't doubt but that there's
regional differences & my memory may be cloudy as virtually all
original beetle's in this area have returned to mother nature many
many years ago.

"Full_Name" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:56:46 -0400,
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:26:21 -0400, Full_Name >
> >wrote:
> ><snip>
> >
> >What beetle had gravity feed?
>
> If I recall correctly quite a few with the gas heaters used that
> system for the heaters. But I wouldn't doubt but that there's
> regional differences & my memory may be cloudy as virtually all
> original beetle's in this area have returned to mother nature many
> many years ago.

The gas heaters were mounted above the fuel tank and had their own electric
fuel pump.
H

"Full_Name" > wrote in message
news
> On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 01:56:46 -0400,
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 01:26:21 -0400, Full_Name >
> >wrote:
> ><snip>
> >
> >What beetle had gravity feed?
>
> If I recall correctly quite a few with the gas heaters used that
> system for the heaters. But I wouldn't doubt but that there's
> regional differences & my memory may be cloudy as virtually all
> original beetle's in this area have returned to mother nature many
> many years ago.

The gas heaters were mounted above the fuel tank and had their own electric
fuel pump.
H

Al Smith wrote:

> "Silver Surfer" > wrote in message
> news:Mrfgd.327682$3l3.233758@attbi_s03...
>
>>Maybe I'm dense or something, but how can the in-tank fuel pump be blamed
>>for these two incidents?
>>
>
>
> Might be.
>
> Story 1
>
> First the disclaimer. I could be wrong, but . . .
>
> Every in-tank fuel pump I know of requires that the tank be
> removed from the vehicle.

Not true. For example, the Chrysler LH vehicles have an access panel in
the trunk floor that allows the fuel pump module to be pulled out the
top of the tank. Niether draining the tank nor removing the tank is
required. However, the intelligence not to do something idiotic like use
an open-bulb drop light, smoke, or strike a match while working on it is
required. Something that seems beyond the capability of entirely too
many people these days....


And yes, most PICKUP TRUCKS with electric in-tank pumps do require
dropping the tank or removing the bed from the chassis... however this
article doesn't say whether it was an in-tank pump or a 1965 pickup with
a conventional fuel pump. If you are stupid in replacing an old-style
fuel pump, you can wind up with a garage full of fuel just as easily as
you can if you're stupid with an in-tank pump. The key word is STUPID...

Al Smith wrote:

> "Silver Surfer" > wrote in message
> news:Mrfgd.327682$3l3.233758@attbi_s03...
>
>>Maybe I'm dense or something, but how can the in-tank fuel pump be blamed
>>for these two incidents?
>>
>
>
> Might be.
>
> Story 1
>
> First the disclaimer. I could be wrong, but . . .
>
> Every in-tank fuel pump I know of requires that the tank be
> removed from the vehicle.

Not true. For example, the Chrysler LH vehicles have an access panel in
the trunk floor that allows the fuel pump module to be pulled out the
top of the tank. Niether draining the tank nor removing the tank is
required. However, the intelligence not to do something idiotic like use
an open-bulb drop light, smoke, or strike a match while working on it is
required. Something that seems beyond the capability of entirely too
many people these days....


And yes, most PICKUP TRUCKS with electric in-tank pumps do require
dropping the tank or removing the bed from the chassis... however this
article doesn't say whether it was an in-tank pump or a 1965 pickup with
a conventional fuel pump. If you are stupid in replacing an old-style
fuel pump, you can wind up with a garage full of fuel just as easily as
you can if you're stupid with an in-tank pump. The key word is STUPID...

Nomen Nescio wrote:
[SNIP]

> In the meantime, lawyers should file a class action as all
> manufacturers are currently using dangerous in-tank pumps and millions of
> cars are affected. This suit is worth billions and billions. At the very
> least, all cars should be retrofitted with new tanks and external pumps by
> mechanics wearing fire suits and guarded by fire crews. The changeover
> will save hundreds of lives
[SNIP]

Meet Nomen Nescio folks, veteran usenet troll. He's been around since
at least 2001, just about everywhere.

http://tinyurl.com/48axk


And for what it's worth Nomen, both incidents you cite could have
happened with outboard fuel pumps. Regardless of whether the pump is
inside or outside of the fuel tank, there is still a pressurized fuel
rail that must be dealt with, and care must be taken whenever you're
dealing with fuel to have the work area well veintilated and to avoid
sparks or other situations that could ignite the fuel.

In truth, the only way to make fuel pumps perfectly idiot-safe is to ban
the use of flammable materials. Unfortunately, the combustible engine
can't work without that type of fuel. Even fuel cells use Hydrogen...
can you say, Hindenburgh?



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Nomen Nescio wrote:
[SNIP]

> In the meantime, lawyers should file a class action as all
> manufacturers are currently using dangerous in-tank pumps and millions of
> cars are affected. This suit is worth billions and billions. At the very
> least, all cars should be retrofitted with new tanks and external pumps by
> mechanics wearing fire suits and guarded by fire crews. The changeover
> will save hundreds of lives
[SNIP]

Meet Nomen Nescio folks, veteran usenet troll. He's been around since
at least 2001, just about everywhere.

http://tinyurl.com/48axk


And for what it's worth Nomen, both incidents you cite could have
happened with outboard fuel pumps. Regardless of whether the pump is
inside or outside of the fuel tank, there is still a pressurized fuel
rail that must be dealt with, and care must be taken whenever you're
dealing with fuel to have the work area well veintilated and to avoid
sparks or other situations that could ignite the fuel.

In truth, the only way to make fuel pumps perfectly idiot-safe is to ban
the use of flammable materials. Unfortunately, the combustible engine
can't work without that type of fuel. Even fuel cells use Hydrogen...
can you say, Hindenburgh?



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