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A sufficiently good bull**** artist can usually talk his way into a
backseat ride off one of Uncle Sugar's flattops, which is a slam that beats even the jet and rocket cars on a dragstrip. The ship is less than a quarter mile long and the cats use half, if even that, and you go off the bow at 200+. After that, Top Fuel or AA/FC is a yawner. Jet dragsters are not quite as impressive, but they are still faster and far, far cheaper to run than Top Fuel. If Nitromethane went the way of hydrazine at publicly spectated events I'd shed no tears. |
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There are jet dragsters that still hold absolute quarter mile records
as far as I know. The Fords-with chassis designed by Eric Broadley, built in England-did win one-two-three, by edict of Ford, which cost Ken Miles the championship and made Ford look like ****heads, because they were. It was a Phyrric victory that did NOTHING for Ford in the US and hurt them elsewhere and only elevated the status of Enzo Ferrari as the greatest race car constructor of all time and all the world over-without winning Indianapolis, as Maserati did (with no help from the works-twice) and P&W almost did (save the stupidity of chassis designers) with only the gift of a junk unairworthy training engine. Of the ten most expensive vintage race cars in the world, at least eight are Ferraris. |
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Say what???????? Jets have to be timed in estimated time of
arrival. Quarter mile records: http://www.nhra.com/stats/natrecord.html Ford still makes the fastest road car: http://www.fordvehicles.com/fordgt/ God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ wrote: > > There are jet dragsters that still hold absolute quarter mile records > as far as I know. > > The Fords-with chassis designed by Eric Broadley, built in England-did > win one-two-three, by edict of Ford, which cost Ken Miles the > championship and made Ford look like ****heads, because they were. It > was a Phyrric victory that did NOTHING for Ford in the US and hurt them > elsewhere and only elevated the status of Enzo Ferrari as the greatest > race car constructor of all time and all the world over-without winning > Indianapolis, as Maserati did (with no help from the works-twice) and > P&W almost did (save the stupidity of chassis designers) with only the > gift of a junk unairworthy training engine. > > Of the ten most expensive vintage race cars in the world, at least > eight are Ferraris. |
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You might be thinking of the rocket cars that NHRA banned several years ago.
The jets do not compare to the current Top Fuel cars. Chris > wrote in message ups.com... > There are jet dragsters that still hold absolute quarter mile records > as far as I know. > > The Fords-with chassis designed by Eric Broadley, built in England-did > win one-two-three, by edict of Ford, which cost Ken Miles the > championship and made Ford look like ****heads, because they were. It > was a Phyrric victory that did NOTHING for Ford in the US and hurt them > elsewhere and only elevated the status of Enzo Ferrari as the greatest > race car constructor of all time and all the world over-without winning > Indianapolis, as Maserati did (with no help from the works-twice) and > P&W almost did (save the stupidity of chassis designers) with only the > gift of a junk unairworthy training engine. > > Of the ten most expensive vintage race cars in the world, at least > eight are Ferraris. > |
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So Chris, what does your imagination tell a jet's standing quarter mile
ET is? If NHRA banned them I'm glad, they use to take so...... much time away from serious drag racing. I been on the drag strip with them, and took 8 mm pictures of them while they were there, couldn't even get them in the same frame when the light turned green: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/jetDragster.mpg God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O c wrote: > > You might be thinking of the rocket cars that NHRA banned several years ago. > The jets do not compare to the current Top Fuel cars. > > Chris |
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Searching the net, I am unable to find any valid jet dragster numbers.
The major sanctioning bodies do not actually sanction the jets anymore, just as they don't have rocket, compressed air, or electric car classes or ones for four wheel drive vehicles. (The electric guys have NEDRA). Since these are exhibition vhicles the ET and trap speeds may be accurate, but they are not recorded by the sanctioning bodies. What is obvious from a Web search is that most of these jet dragsters and funny cars are essentially hobby efforts and are running first and second generation jet engines long out of aircraft service. Obviously, legit competition and funds with more modern engines would drive speeds radically higher. I think Arfons was quoted as running in the low fives or high fours in the mid/late 60's. |
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Geez, I wish you'd go see a drag race, and check their fifty foot
speed. Remember, a jet needs a catapult just to get started off a carrier. There's no f**kin' way in hell they could beat super stock car at eight seconds. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ wrote: > > Searching the net, I am unable to find any valid jet dragster numbers. > The major sanctioning bodies do not actually sanction the jets anymore, > just as they don't have rocket, compressed air, or electric car classes > or ones for four wheel drive vehicles. (The electric guys have NEDRA). > Since these are exhibition vhicles the ET and trap speeds may be > accurate, but they are not recorded by the sanctioning bodies. > > What is obvious from a Web search is that most of these jet dragsters > and funny cars are essentially hobby efforts and are running first and > second generation jet engines long out of aircraft service. Obviously, > legit competition and funds with more modern engines would drive speeds > radically higher. I think Arfons was quoted as running in the low fives > or high fours in the mid/late 60's. |
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You know, I can't impress upon you enough that if I thought a
surplus jet engine could have beat any dragster, I would have had one. And that's a fact! Just like this was my car: http://www.billhughes.com/temp/dragster.mpg "L.W.(ßill) Hughes III" wrote: > > Geez, I wish you'd go see a drag race, and check their fifty foot > speed. Remember, a jet needs a catapult just to get started off a > carrier. There's no f**kin' way in hell they could beat super stock car > at eight seconds. > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > |
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Bill,
Do you know the difference between a rocket car and a jet car? I did not say that the jets were banned, in fact I went to see them at the local track just a few weeks ago. I do still remember going to watch my first drag race at the same track 28 years ago, and the ROCKET car that was there that night ran a 4.93 ET at 344 MPH. This was 28 years ago when the Top Fuel cars still had the short wings, they shifted gears, and they didn't have the lockup clutches like they do now. Also thousands fewer ponies too. I can't say what the TF cars were running back then, but I do know that the 4 second barrier was not broken until Eddie Hill did it the week after the US Nationals in 1988. He broke the 4 second barrier at the Texas Motorplex running a 4.93ET if my memory serves me correctly. I was at Indy that year, and Gene Snow and I believe Joe Amato were in the finals. Snow had run a 5.002 in the semi finals, and said he would get the 4 in the final, but his throttle linkage broke right after he launched. Anyway, my point here is that the rocket cars had got so fast, and I believe I remember hearing about a run that was over 400MPH and in the very low 4 second range, but that I am not sure of. I think that was when all of the sanctioning bodies started banning the rockets. Also, the Jets do sometimes hit a higher top speed than the TF cars, but I haven't seen or heard of a jet that is close to a TF car as far as ET is concerned, and ET is what counts. Now, I'm sure if someone built an unlimited jet car based on the newest jet technology, it might be a different story. I did find this page that only shows the records for a particular track. http://www.mirdrag.com/records.htm It shows a 3 tenths of a second difference in favor of the TF car. This ET difference at 300MPH equates to 132 feet! Not my imagination at all. Chris "L.W. (ßill) Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > So Chris, what does your imagination tell a jet's standing quarter mile > ET is? If NHRA banned them I'm glad, they use to take so...... much time > away from serious drag racing. I been on the drag strip with them, and > took 8 mm pictures of them while they were there, couldn't even get them > in the same frame when the light turned green: > http://www.billhughes.com/temp/jetDragster.mpg > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > > > c wrote: > > > > You might be thinking of the rocket cars that NHRA banned several years ago. > > The jets do not compare to the current Top Fuel cars. > > > > Chris |
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