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I'm also reluctant to sully myself with this, but there's such a thing
as being your own ISP, which it appears those other sites have done and
would explain their continuing existence. That's how terrorist groups,
spammers, and other scum get around the normal rules of decency (or they
just find ISP's with sub-human standards).

I don't think Comcast is an anything-goes ISP (with or without their
TOS). You'll probably find out soon enough.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 09:02:09 -0500, Bill Putney >
wrote:

>
>I'm also reluctant to sully myself with this, but there's such a thing
>as being your own ISP, which it appears those other sites have done and
>would explain their continuing existence. That's how terrorist groups,
>spammers, and other scum get around the normal rules of decency (or they
>just find ISP's with sub-human standards).
>
>I don't think Comcast is an anything-goes ISP (with or without their
>TOS). You'll probably find out soon enough.
>
>Bill Putney

Bill Putney, Net Cop

Let me tell you something. Not 1 minute goes by on UselessNet when
someone doesn't say something that offends somebody else.

So that's the way the game is played here. And that is why killfile
filters are built into Newsreaders.

I will consider any attempt to violate my First Ammendment Rights as
grounds to involve the constitutent parties in a Federal Lawsuit. I
hope you have _deep_ pockets.

Now, you are harassing me, and throwing veiled threats in my
direction, so I advise you to cease and desist immediately.

Lg


>(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
>adddress with the letter 'x')

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 09:02:09 -0500, Bill Putney >
wrote:

>
>I'm also reluctant to sully myself with this, but there's such a thing
>as being your own ISP, which it appears those other sites have done and
>would explain their continuing existence. That's how terrorist groups,
>spammers, and other scum get around the normal rules of decency (or they
>just find ISP's with sub-human standards).
>
>I don't think Comcast is an anything-goes ISP (with or without their
>TOS). You'll probably find out soon enough.
>
>Bill Putney

Bill Putney, Net Cop

Let me tell you something. Not 1 minute goes by on UselessNet when
someone doesn't say something that offends somebody else.

So that's the way the game is played here. And that is why killfile
filters are built into Newsreaders.

I will consider any attempt to violate my First Ammendment Rights as
grounds to involve the constitutent parties in a Federal Lawsuit. I
hope you have _deep_ pockets.

Now, you are harassing me, and throwing veiled threats in my
direction, so I advise you to cease and desist immediately.

Lg


>(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
>adddress with the letter 'x')

Lawrence Glickman wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:14:16 -0500, Matt Whiting
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Lawrence Glickman wrote:

>>You may well be correct about it being a statute, but you're not correct
>>about it being enforced. I've never seen or even heard of anyone being
>>written up for blowing their horn.
>>
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> This ordinance is -Enforced- in the City of Chicago, and may explain
> why it is so delightfully quiet.

Which Chicago are you talking about? I was in Chicago, IL on vacation
just a couple of years ago and it was anything but quiet. That was my
last vacation there as well since I'll never spend another dollar in
Chicago after the Meigs act of terrorism.


Matt

Lawrence Glickman wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:14:16 -0500, Matt Whiting
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Lawrence Glickman wrote:

>>You may well be correct about it being a statute, but you're not correct
>>about it being enforced. I've never seen or even heard of anyone being
>>written up for blowing their horn.
>>
>>
>>Matt
>
>
> This ordinance is -Enforced- in the City of Chicago, and may explain
> why it is so delightfully quiet.

Which Chicago are you talking about? I was in Chicago, IL on vacation
just a couple of years ago and it was anything but quiet. That was my
last vacation there as well since I'll never spend another dollar in
Chicago after the Meigs act of terrorism.


Matt

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:01:30 -0500, Matt Whiting
> wrote:

>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:14:16 -0500, Matt Whiting
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>
>>>You may well be correct about it being a statute, but you're not correct
>>>about it being enforced. I've never seen or even heard of anyone being
>>>written up for blowing their horn.
>>>
>>>
>>>Matt
>>
>>
>> This ordinance is -Enforced- in the City of Chicago, and may explain
>> why it is so delightfully quiet.
>
>Which Chicago are you talking about? I was in Chicago, IL on vacation
>just a couple of years ago and it was anything but quiet. That was my
>last vacation there as well since I'll never spend another dollar in
>Chicago after the Meigs act of terrorism.
>
>
>Matt

Chicago Illinois.
I don't go downtown that much, because the traffic is bad all the
time. But people tend to lay-OFF the horn business because the
Chicago PD Traffic Cops are tough as nails, and don't take any ****
from anybody, so the net result, is *pretty damn quiet for a city of
this size.*

It is even more quiet in the burbs, where I live. I'm lucky if I hear
1 horn beep in an entire day.

As far as *trouble*/terrorism is concerned, this does happen to be a
bit of a rowdy town, but so is Scranton Pennsylvania. Anywhere you
find a lot of blue collar beer-swilling people around, you're going to
find a bit of mischief. For the most part, the worst you end up with
is a bloody nose. The only people I know of that _deliberately_ go
looking for trouble are , eh......

hmmmm. Gang member, of which there are 50,000 in the Chicagoland
area.

Those are the guys you want to watch out for. The mokes from the
mills are pretty good folks, all said. A scuffle here and there is to
be expected on a friday or saturday night when the guys get loaded
with their favorite brew.

Otoh, with the gangsters, ah.....
well just stay away from them. If you know the city, you know that
the *core* is safe. Go anywhere else, do so with a local who knows
the territory.

I've lived here for 30 years, and is it a Miracle I am still alive
with all my fingers and toes intact? No. I just know where the
danger zones are, and stay away from them. And If I -do- have to
travel through them, I am handing out Courtesy like it is going out of
business. That's one thing gangsters appreciate, a little courtesy,
as they usually spend their life in hell, and it is nice to hear a
kind word from time to time. That will buy you a LOT around here, in
Chicago. A little _courtesy_. In fact, it can stop a robbery in its
tracks. Courtesy is what you want to have in your pocket, not mace,
not a gun, not a knife, _courtesy_. That will disarm all but the most
*rabid* of drug addicts.

It is a good city with a lot of good people.

Lg

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 14:01:30 -0500, Matt Whiting
> wrote:

>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 08:14:16 -0500, Matt Whiting
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Lawrence Glickman wrote:
>
>>>You may well be correct about it being a statute, but you're not correct
>>>about it being enforced. I've never seen or even heard of anyone being
>>>written up for blowing their horn.
>>>
>>>
>>>Matt
>>
>>
>> This ordinance is -Enforced- in the City of Chicago, and may explain
>> why it is so delightfully quiet.
>
>Which Chicago are you talking about? I was in Chicago, IL on vacation
>just a couple of years ago and it was anything but quiet. That was my
>last vacation there as well since I'll never spend another dollar in
>Chicago after the Meigs act of terrorism.
>
>
>Matt

Chicago Illinois.
I don't go downtown that much, because the traffic is bad all the
time. But people tend to lay-OFF the horn business because the
Chicago PD Traffic Cops are tough as nails, and don't take any ****
from anybody, so the net result, is *pretty damn quiet for a city of
this size.*

It is even more quiet in the burbs, where I live. I'm lucky if I hear
1 horn beep in an entire day.

As far as *trouble*/terrorism is concerned, this does happen to be a
bit of a rowdy town, but so is Scranton Pennsylvania. Anywhere you
find a lot of blue collar beer-swilling people around, you're going to
find a bit of mischief. For the most part, the worst you end up with
is a bloody nose. The only people I know of that _deliberately_ go
looking for trouble are , eh......

hmmmm. Gang member, of which there are 50,000 in the Chicagoland
area.

Those are the guys you want to watch out for. The mokes from the
mills are pretty good folks, all said. A scuffle here and there is to
be expected on a friday or saturday night when the guys get loaded
with their favorite brew.

Otoh, with the gangsters, ah.....
well just stay away from them. If you know the city, you know that
the *core* is safe. Go anywhere else, do so with a local who knows
the territory.

I've lived here for 30 years, and is it a Miracle I am still alive
with all my fingers and toes intact? No. I just know where the
danger zones are, and stay away from them. And If I -do- have to
travel through them, I am handing out Courtesy like it is going out of
business. That's one thing gangsters appreciate, a little courtesy,
as they usually spend their life in hell, and it is nice to hear a
kind word from time to time. That will buy you a LOT around here, in
Chicago. A little _courtesy_. In fact, it can stop a robbery in its
tracks. Courtesy is what you want to have in your pocket, not mace,
not a gun, not a knife, _courtesy_. That will disarm all but the most
*rabid* of drug addicts.

It is a good city with a lot of good people.

Lg

Lawrence Glickman wrote:

> As far as *trouble*/terrorism is concerned, this does happen to be a
> bit of a rowdy town, but so is Scranton Pennsylvania. Anywhere you
> find a lot of blue collar beer-swilling people around, you're going to
> find a bit of mischief. For the most part, the worst you end up with
> is a bloody nose. The only people I know of that _deliberately_ go
> looking for trouble are , eh......

I don't worry about the blue collar folks, it is the politician
terrorists that I despise. The one's that rip up airports in the middle
of the night. Chicago has long been one of the most corrupt cities in
the US and the current mayor is adding to that reputation.

Matt

Lawrence Glickman wrote:

> As far as *trouble*/terrorism is concerned, this does happen to be a
> bit of a rowdy town, but so is Scranton Pennsylvania. Anywhere you
> find a lot of blue collar beer-swilling people around, you're going to
> find a bit of mischief. For the most part, the worst you end up with
> is a bloody nose. The only people I know of that _deliberately_ go
> looking for trouble are , eh......

I don't worry about the blue collar folks, it is the politician
terrorists that I despise. The one's that rip up airports in the middle
of the night. Chicago has long been one of the most corrupt cities in
the US and the current mayor is adding to that reputation.

Matt

Lawrence Glickman wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 09:02:09 -0500, Bill Putney >
> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm also reluctant to sully myself with this, but there's such a thing
>>as being your own ISP, which it appears those other sites have done and
>>would explain their continuing existence. That's how terrorist groups,
>>spammers, and other scum get around the normal rules of decency (or they
>>just find ISP's with sub-human standards).
>>
>>I don't think Comcast is an anything-goes ISP (with or without their
>>TOS). You'll probably find out soon enough.
>>
>>Bill Putney
>
>
> Bill Putney, Net Cop
>
> Let me tell you something. Not 1 minute goes by on UselessNet when
> someone doesn't say something that offends somebody else.
>
> So that's the way the game is played here. And that is why killfile
> filters are built into Newsreaders.
>
> I will consider any attempt to violate my First Ammendment Rights as
> grounds to involve the constitutent parties in a Federal Lawsuit. I
> hope you have _deep_ pockets.
>
> Now, you are harassing me, and throwing veiled threats in my
> direction, so I advise you to cease and desist immediately.

Huh! Since when is simply giving you information a violation of anything?

You can't force an ISP to use their resources to provide you the means
to express yourself any more than you can force yourself onto my
property to say or do anything that you want. But - yes - you have the
right to freedom of speech - but I (that's the generic "I" - I am not an
ISP) am not required to provide you the tools to do it. Get mad at me
if you want. Ever heard the expression "Don't shoot the messenger"?

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')