What exactly is "left lane blocking"?

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:58:44 GMT, Arif Khokar >
wrote:

>Big Bill wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:44:26 GMT, Arif Khokar >
>> wrote:
>
>>>Should one drive in such a way as to not require others to adjust their
>>>speed or direction due to one's actions such as pulling out from a side
>>>road, merging, or changing lanes? If not, then why not?
>
>> It's impossible to drive that way, unless *everyone* is driving the
>> same spped, and *everyone* allows other drivers to change lanes
>> (meaning leaving enough room to do so).
>
>You're as obtuse now as you were then.

No, I'm following what you wrote. It's there for all to read.
>Should those who are making
>maneuvers, like the one's I described above, that require *yielding* to
>through traffic do so in such a way such that through traffic does not
>have to adjust speed or direction for them?

So, you're saying that you were mistaken?

--
Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 07:29:20 -0800, Scott en Aztlán
> wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 06:41:34 -0700, Big Bill > wrote:
>
>>>Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>> This you're-too-slow-even-when-you're-passing-so-get-out-of-my-lane
>>>> mentality is just as much MFFY as the LLB behavior everyone is complaining
>>>> about.
>>>
>>>Should one drive in such a way as to not require others to adjust their
>>>speed or direction due to one's actions such as pulling out from a side
>>>road, merging, or changing lanes? If not, then why not?
>>
>>It's impossible to drive that way, unless *everyone* is driving the
>>same spped, and *everyone* allows other drivers to change lanes
>>(meaning leaving enough room to do so).
>
>That hasn't been my experience.

You're not reading what's being written.
Read what I responded to again.
Here it is:
"Should one drive in such a way as to not require others to adjust
their speed or direction due to one's actions such as pulling out from
a side road, merging, or changing lanes? If not, then why not?"
Now, read what I wrote.
>
>>To give but one example, let's say you're driving in the right lane on
>>I-10, where it's 2 lanes each direction. You're coming upon another
>>vehicle, and want to pass it. You look in your mirror, and notice
>>another vehicle in the left lane, close enough that, if you pull out
>>to pass, that other vehicle will need to slow down unless you speed
>>up. This is a *very* common situation.
>
>Only because you don't check your mirrors often enough. Instead of
>waiting until you're on the other car's bumper before checking your
>mirrors, as most drivers do, you could check them periodically and,
>when you see the situation brewing, you plan ahead and adjust your
>position and speed so as to avoid the conflict.

Again, you're not reading what's written.
It has nothing to do with checking mirrors. If *I* have to alter my
speed to let the othe rpasser go by, the other passer is a MFFY
driver, by the definition given, becasue he made me alter my speed.
>
>Watch your mirrors, learn to judge the approach speeds of other
>vehicles, and don't be afraid to speed up or slow down temporarily.
>This is the kind of stuff that separates the average driver from the
>truly skilled driver.

--
Bill Funk
Change "g" to "a"

Jim Yanik wrote:
> "Harry K" > wrote in
> ups.com:
>
> >
> > L Sternn wrote:
> >> On 20 Mar 2005 06:53:32 -0800, "Harry K" >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Try replying to what I actually wrote instead of something I
never
> > said
> >> >or even implied.
> >>
> >> Heh did - what part of "slower traffic keep right" are you havnig
> >> trouble with?
> >
> > What part of "actively passing" do you have a problem with??
> >
> > Harry K
> >
> >
>
> "actively passing" by itself is not an exemption from "slower traffic
keep
> right".
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

And if you and the others actually bother -reading- what I have written
you will see that I drive in such a way that I do not impede other
drivers. The only exception being someone really cooking that was way
back when I pulled out. In that case I have to vote with Bill. If I
am passing at a reasonable differential -when you arrive-, i.e.,
already at least 1/2 way around the other car, you are the MFFYer for
expecting me to alter my actions. Now in most LLB cases that scenario
doesn't come close to applying, they pull out cutting off someone in
already in the passing lane or sloth pass. Doesn't apply to me in
either case.

If I read your and others response as they are written you are
expecting me to force the guy I am alongside of off the road so I can
get in the right lane.

Harry K

"Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:09:43 GMT, "Bill 2" > wrote:
>
>>> Should one drive in such a way as to not require others to adjust their
>>> speed or direction due to one's actions such as pulling out from a side
>>> road, merging, or changing lanes? If not, then why not?
>>
>>So if I'm on a surface street, and want to make a right turn onto another
>>surface street, should I complete this turn at 45MPH as to not cause the
>>car
>>behind me to have to slow down? While I try to minimize the impact on
>>other
>>drivers, sometimes it's unavoidable.
>
> As long as you make your honest best effort to minimize it, that's all
> we ask.


So on the same note if I'm passing a car (or cars), and a car comes up
behind me, why would I instantly become an evil LLB, as long as I'm making
an effort to minimize my time in the left lane (not micro passing and
pulling over once I'm done).

Assuming a KRETP law and not a STKR law, what would make the inconvenience
to the fast car more acceptable than inconveniencing the fastest car
(assuming the fast car is passing a slow car at a reasonable differential
and moving over once done)?

"Harry K" > wrote in
ups.com:

>
> Jim Yanik wrote:
>> "Harry K" > wrote in
>> ups.com:
>>
>> >
>> > L Sternn wrote:
>> >> On 20 Mar 2005 06:53:32 -0800, "Harry K" >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Try replying to what I actually wrote instead of something I
> never
>> > said
>> >> >or even implied.
>> >>
>> >> Heh did - what part of "slower traffic keep right" are you havnig
>> >> trouble with?
>> >
>> > What part of "actively passing" do you have a problem with??
>> >
>> > Harry K
>> >
>> >
>>
>> "actively passing" by itself is not an exemption from "slower traffic
> keep
>> right".
>>
>> --
>> Jim Yanik
>> jyanik
>> at
>> kua.net
>
> And if you and the others actually bother -reading- what I have written
> you will see that I drive in such a way that I do not impede other
> drivers.

> The only exception being someone really cooking that was way
> back when I pulled out.

That still is no excuse for not getting out of their way.
They still are faster traffic and you being the slower traffic,must clear
the passing lane.

> In that case I have to vote with Bill. If I
> am passing at a reasonable differential -when you arrive-, i.e.,
> already at least 1/2 way around the other car, you are the MFFYer for
> expecting me to alter my actions. Now in most LLB cases that scenario
> doesn't come close to applying, they pull out cutting off someone in
> already in the passing lane or sloth pass. Doesn't apply to me in
> either case.
>
> If I read your and others response as they are written you are
> expecting me to force the guy I am alongside of off the road so I can
> get in the right lane.
>
> Harry K
>
>

You must have comprehension problems then,as a couple of posters have
stated that you should *speed up* (beginning far before they end up braking
and tailing you)and complete the pass,and NO ONE has suggested you force
another car off the road.

You and a couple of others just keep trying to come up with some
justification for your improper passing.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Big Bill > wrote in
:

> On 20 Mar 2005 18:11:40 GMT, Jim Yanik .> wrote:
>
>>Big Bill > wrote in
m:
>>
>>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 08:44:26 GMT, Arif Khokar >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This
>>>>> you're-too-slow-even-when-you're-passing-so-get-out-of-my-lane
>>>>> mentality is just as much MFFY as the LLB behavior everyone is
>>>>> complaining about.
>>>>
>>>>Should one drive in such a way as to not require others to adjust
>>>>their speed or direction due to one's actions such as pulling out
>>>>from a side road, merging, or changing lanes? If not, then why not?
>>>
>>> It's impossible to drive that way, unless *everyone* is driving the
>>> same spped, and *everyone* allows other drivers to change lanes
>>> (meaning leaving enough room to do so).
>>> IOW, that's never going to happen.
>>> To give but one example, let's say you're driving in the right lane
>>> on I-10, where it's 2 lanes each direction. You're coming upon
>>> another vehicle, and want to pass it. You look in your mirror, and
>>> notice another vehicle in the left lane, close enough that, if you
>>> pull out to pass, that other vehicle will need to slow down unless
>>> you speed up. This is a *very* common situation.
>>> BAM!! One of you is a MFFY driver, because one of you is going to
>>> have to adjust your speed. (Your definition; see above.)
>>> Which one is it?
>>>
>>
>>The guy already making his pass has priority,so YOU in the middle lane
>>gets to slow until the passing lane is available.No cutting in front
>>of the original passer and making them brake.That is rude and
>>inconsiderate.
>>
>>Besides,the passer is already in the left lane,and you would cut in
>>front;exactly MFFY behavior.He was there first.
>
> In other words, sinced *I* must alter speed, the other passing driver
> is a MFFY driver.

Except it is not FY behavior,HE's doing the right thing.YOU are not.

SLOWER traffic keep right.(for the Nth time)


> He *must* be, if the definition I quoted is right.
> Or, that definition is wrong (which is my point).
> So, which is it?
>



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Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Bill 2" > wrote in
news
>
> "Scott en Aztlán" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 20:09:43 GMT, "Bill 2" > wrote:
>>
>>>> Should one drive in such a way as to not require others to adjust
>>>> their speed or direction due to one's actions such as pulling out
>>>> from a side road, merging, or changing lanes? If not, then why
>>>> not?
>>>
>>>So if I'm on a surface street, and want to make a right turn onto
>>>another surface street, should I complete this turn at 45MPH as to
>>>not cause the car
>>>behind me to have to slow down? While I try to minimize the impact on
>>>other
>>>drivers, sometimes it's unavoidable.
>>
>> As long as you make your honest best effort to minimize it, that's
>> all we ask.
>
>
> So on the same note if I'm passing a car (or cars), and a car comes up
> behind me, why would I instantly become an evil LLB, as long as I'm
> making an effort to minimize my time in the left lane (not micro
> passing and pulling over once I'm done).

How freaking long are you taking to pass,if a car can come up behind you
without you noticing it before beginning your pass?
You sure are not "minimizing" your passing time,then.
Or did you see him,and just went ahead anyways to make your pass?(MFFY act)

I suspect you are just one more of those trying to justify their improper
passing.



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

Big Bill wrote:

> Again, you're not reading what's written.

I wrote what was written and am far better qualified to tell you what I
meant.

> It has nothing to do with checking mirrors.

It has a lot to do with checking mirrors (except when pulling out from a
side road).

> If *I* have to alter my
> speed to let the othe rpasser go by,

Dumb****, why can't you realize that the onus to adjust speed and/or
direction is on the person making a maneuver?

> the other passer is a MFFY

And you're a "my asinine interpretation first, **** what the other
person actually wrote type of person."

In my style of driving the only time I impede is when someone is really
cooking and I misjudge his closure. In the few cases it happened I was
almost past before he caught up. Nope, I am not going to speed up in
that case.. In your view I am then an MFFY. In my view you are. In
actual fact, I have the right of way and in spite of your insistance
that I am -required- to speed up, you are wrong, I am not. Morally
yes, legally no.

Harry K

Jim Yanik wrote:
> "Harry K" > wrote in
> oups.com:
>
> >
> > Jim Yanik wrote:
> >> "Harry K" > wrote in
> >> ps.com:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > John F. Carr wrote:
> >> >> In article
. com>,
> >> >> Harry K > wrote:
> >> >> >There is nothing in the law that says a leading car, as
> >> >> >long as it is driving legally, has to consider what the car
> > behind
> >> >> >wants to do.
> >> >>
> >> >> In Arkansas, Georgia, Louisiana, Nevada, Utah, and Virginia
> > drivers
> >> > in
> >> >> the left lane are required to move right to allow faster
traffic
> > to
> >> >> pass. Only Georgia limits this law to vehicles traveling
within
> > the
> >> >> speed limit. This duty is in addition to the "slower traffic
keep
> >> >> right" rule in most of these states.
> >> >>
> >> >> See http://www.mit.edu/~jfc/laws.html for details.
> >> >>
> >> >> Even though honking or flashing to pass is no longer customary,
> > the
> >> >> law in many states still requires the lead driver to recognize
the
> >> >> signal and facilitate passing on roads where passing on the
right
> >> >> is not permitted.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> John Carr )
> >> >
> >> > True, IF the lead is just cruising. As long as the lead is
> > actively
> >> > (not sloth) passing, he doesn't need to do anything. Granted it
> > would
> >> > be nice to speed up but not required. My imposition on you by
> > makeing
> >> > you slow down for a few seconds is no worse than your imposition
on
> > me
> >> > by trying to force me to speed up. Note that I am discussing a
> > passer
> >> > who is passing at a -reasonable- rate. If I am passing a 70
mpher
> > at
> >> > 80 that is it, I ain't going to speed up.
> >> >
> >> > Harry K
> >> >
> >>
> >> Then you have become a LLB.
> >>
> >> SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT,including you.
> >> If you are in the passing lane and someone is approaching you in
that
> >
> >> lane,then YOU are the *slower traffic*. Get it? (I doubt it)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Jim Yanik
> >> jyanik
> >> at
> >> kua.net
> >
> > Yes, I get it. Before pulling out I check mirrors, nobody
approaching
> > rapidly, I pass at a good rate, someone closing in I wait. I pull
out
> > and someone really cooking comes up that was way back when I
> > checked...tough, you're going to have to slow down until I get
> > clearance to pull over. It might be a shock but the first person
in a
> > lane has the legal (not moral I agree) right of way.
>
> The typical MFFY response.
>
> Again you forget about "slower traffic keep right".There's no
exemption for
> vehicles already passing.
>
> > Again, I am
> > speaking of actively passing at a decent rate, not sloth passing,
not
> > staying in the lane longer than necessary and not cutting off
people
> > approaching.
> >
> > Harry K
> >
> >
>
> You would be sloth passing if you cause a faster car to brake and
slow
> because you have not completed your pass.
>
> --
> Jim Yanik
> jyanik
> at
> kua.net

Agree to disagree in my style of driving. You will just have to bite
the bullet and slow down if you catch up to me while passing. KRETP
and SLTK does -not- apply while I am passing in spite of all your
attempts to deny it.
Again, I'll put it in caps so you get it MORALLY yes, LEGALLY no.

Harry K