1999 Explorer Transmission

Jim Warman wrote:
> Nice to see all these bold statements....
>
> A C-note to hook up the scan tool? Those guys are ballsy.... Why, anyone
> with nearly 10G tied up in one scan tool would insist on recouping their
> investment is beyond me... I do free **** every day and do not expect to get
> paid..... Come on, folks... raise your hands and say "that's me.... that's
> me...".
>
> Seeing that Ford dealers are held in such low regard, I guess my job here is
> done....
>
> Have fun with it, folks....
>
> BTW... if anyone has a 99 Explorer with a vacuum modulator from factory,
> I'll pay top bucks for the faulty one....
>
>
> "Allan" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ford Dealer will be my last choice, tranny shop in Saskatoon that I know
>> will be second choice if the locals can't find out what's going on. The
>> local gargae here does have a scanner, or maybe it's a code reader, it's
>> one or the other. Small town garage where everyone knows everyone else and
>> they will tell you exactly what's wrong if they can and not sell you a
>> pile of un-needed parts. They have the handheld scanner/codereader, they
>> used it on my Explorer one other time to determine we had a problem with
>> plugs. Didn't really need the codereader for that though, I coud hear the
>> miss. I'm going to drop in tomorrow.
>>
>> The vehicle acts somewhat like the way some of my older vehicles had when
>> they did similar things, modulator valve would be plugged or shot, or
>> leaking at the hose. Makes me think that when things warm up tomorrow, I'm
>> going to check any hoses that possibly have come loose or cracked from
>> ice, snow and cold.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Allan
>>
>> Happy Traveler wrote:
>>> The Ford dealer will love you. Nothing like charging a $100 diagnostic
>>> fee for two minutes of hooking up the scanner. If you go there, at least
>>> have them diagnose the problem and quote you the repair. May not cost
>>> much more. Or do the same at a tranny shop that you trust.
>>>
>>> Anybody with a scanner or even a decent code-reader should be able to
>>> pull trouble codes. Some stores, like Autozone do it for free, hoping to
>>> sell you parts to solve the problem. If you go that route, make sure to
>>> note the exact numeric code, not just what the guy thinks that set it.
>>>
>>> "Allan" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> Thanks for that. I'll see if they can read the codes here at the local
>>>> garage. If they can't, I'll have to take it into town to the Ford
>>>> dealership next time in.
>>>
>
$100 for 2 minutes will recoup his investment in 200 minutes. Then $100
for 2 minutes is pure profit. Poor Poor Ford Dealer. bOo hoo.

"Bob" > wrote in message
. ..
> Jim Warman wrote:
>> A C-note to hook up the scan tool? Those guys are ballsy.... Why, anyone
>> with nearly 10G tied up in one scan tool would insist on recouping their
>> investment is beyond me...

> $100 for 2 minutes will recoup his investment in 200 minutes. Then $100
> for 2 minutes is pure profit. Poor Poor Ford Dealer. bOo hoo.

Regardless of whether the 10G cost is justified or not, using a
full-featured scanner to simply pull out stored DTCs is an overkill. The
$200 toy that the boys at Autozone use is just as good for that purpose.
Even if they used that toy instead of their 10G machine, the dealership has
a large overhead, employs a receptionist, service writer, (hopefully) well
trained technicians, cashier, etc, etc; and all of those spend some time
with the customer. So it makes sense for them to charge a minimum diagnostic
fee, regardless of how tiny the actual job is. But with that in mind, one
does not go to a dealership to read DTCs, for the same reason that one does
not check into a hospital to have their blood pressure tested.

Happy has a good grasp on it....

You can go to the local parts store and they will scan codes for free....
From there, they will start to sell you parts... and they will keep selling
you parts until either the problem goes away, or you run out of money....

Once the customer runs out of money, I get the car and I'm expected to fix
it for cheap.... Ain't gonna happen.

If you come to me for a "code scan"... you are taking me away from
productive work... (I'm not sitting behind a counter chewing on a glazed
donut imagining what the delivery girls ass looks like in a thong"... all
300 pounds of it). When I scan codes, you are looking to access MY
intellectual property... something I hold very dear. If it looks like a
pattern failure, I will let you know... but you are still taking me away
from those things that earn my living... Which means you will become part of
what earns my living.

Without trying to blow my own horn, I feel I have a pretty good grasp on
"things automotive"... I am paid quite handsomely for this expertise.... My
loving bride has grown quite comfortable with this arrangement.... If you
want a free "guess", don't disturb me at work. And don't expect me to bring
shop tools home....

I can be a mean bastuhd.... One of my greatest joys in life is taking a
cocky young fellow that has blindly followed the parts guys recommendations,
spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars to fail to fix a concern... only
to see the cause of the concern the moment I open the hood. What is my
intellectual property worth now?


"Bob" > wrote in message
. ..
> Jim Warman wrote:
>> Nice to see all these bold statements....
>>
>> A C-note to hook up the scan tool? Those guys are ballsy.... Why, anyone
>> with nearly 10G tied up in one scan tool would insist on recouping their
>> investment is beyond me... I do free **** every day and do not expect to
>> get paid..... Come on, folks... raise your hands and say "that's me....
>> that's me...".
>>
>> Seeing that Ford dealers are held in such low regard, I guess my job here
>> is done....
>>
>> Have fun with it, folks....
>>
>> BTW... if anyone has a 99 Explorer with a vacuum modulator from factory,
>> I'll pay top bucks for the faulty one....
>>
>>
>> "Allan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Ford Dealer will be my last choice, tranny shop in Saskatoon that I know
>>> will be second choice if the locals can't find out what's going on. The
>>> local gargae here does have a scanner, or maybe it's a code reader, it's
>>> one or the other. Small town garage where everyone knows everyone else
>>> and they will tell you exactly what's wrong if they can and not sell you
>>> a pile of un-needed parts. They have the handheld scanner/codereader,
>>> they used it on my Explorer one other time to determine we had a problem
>>> with plugs. Didn't really need the codereader for that though, I coud
>>> hear the miss. I'm going to drop in tomorrow.
>>>
>>> The vehicle acts somewhat like the way some of my older vehicles had
>>> when they did similar things, modulator valve would be plugged or shot,
>>> or leaking at the hose. Makes me think that when things warm up
>>> tomorrow, I'm going to check any hoses that possibly have come loose or
>>> cracked from ice, snow and cold.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Allan
>>>
>>> Happy Traveler wrote:
>>>> The Ford dealer will love you. Nothing like charging a $100 diagnostic
>>>> fee for two minutes of hooking up the scanner. If you go there, at
>>>> least have them diagnose the problem and quote you the repair. May not
>>>> cost much more. Or do the same at a tranny shop that you trust.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody with a scanner or even a decent code-reader should be able to
>>>> pull trouble codes. Some stores, like Autozone do it for free, hoping
>>>> to sell you parts to solve the problem. If you go that route, make sure
>>>> to note the exact numeric code, not just what the guy thinks that set
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> "Allan" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for that. I'll see if they can read the codes here at the local
>>>>> garage. If they can't, I'll have to take it into town to the Ford
>>>>> dealership next time in.
>>>>
>>
> $100 for 2 minutes will recoup his investment in 200 minutes. Then $100
> for 2 minutes is pure profit. Poor Poor Ford Dealer. bOo hoo.