2007 Accord - Cruise Control

jim beam Wrote:
> MishaA wrote:
> <snip>
> > pedal
> > under drivers foot still retains some control, even on diesels. They
> do
> > not drive by themselves just yet.:wink:
>
> you've not worked on diesels then kiddo. the foot tells the governor
> what the driver wants but the governor does everything from there. with
> a gasoline engine, give it full pedal, you get full gas. with diesel,
> full pedal can give you zero injection, 30% pedal can give you full
> injection - it depends on load and revs, as determined by the governor,
> not the driver.
Can you translate kiddo into plain english for me, please? I have a
version, I just want to make sure it is correct.

As for diesels, I do own one since 1995, and I'm pretty familiar with
its behaivior. Despite of the governor, the speed is controlled by
driver, and this cannot be done any other way, at least while we have
drivers driving cars.

And you did not answer what all this has to do with the original
poster's question yet. Could you please?


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MishaA wrote:
> jim beam Wrote:
>> MishaA wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> pedal
>>> under drivers foot still retains some control, even on diesels. They
>> do
>>> not drive by themselves just yet.:wink:
>> you've not worked on diesels then kiddo. the foot tells the governor
>> what the driver wants but the governor does everything from there. with
>> a gasoline engine, give it full pedal, you get full gas. with diesel,
>> full pedal can give you zero injection, 30% pedal can give you full
>> injection - it depends on load and revs, as determined by the governor,
>> not the driver.
> Can you translate kiddo into plain english for me, please? I have a
> version, I just want to make sure it is correct.
>
> As for diesels, I do own one since 1995, and I'm pretty familiar with
> its behaivior. Despite of the governor, the speed is controlled by
> driver, and this cannot be done any other way, at least while we have
> drivers driving cars.
>
> And you did not answer what all this has to do with the original
> poster's question yet. Could you please?
>
>
learn to differentiate between "speed" and "amount of diesel injected".

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:45:15 -0800, jim beam > wrote:


>MishaA wrote:
><snip>
> > pedal
>> under drivers foot still retains some control, even on diesels. They do
>> not drive by themselves just yet.:wink:

>you've not worked on diesels then kiddo. the foot tells the governor
>what the driver wants but the governor does everything from there. with
>a gasoline engine, give it full pedal, you get full gas. with diesel,
Actually, with a gasoline engine, give it full pedal and you give it full
air. The air flow then controls the fuel added.

>full pedal can give you zero injection, 30% pedal can give you full
>injection - it depends on load and revs, as determined by the governor,
>not the driver.

jim beam Wrote:
> MishaA wrote:
> > jim beam Wrote:
> >> MishaA wrote:
> >> <snip>
> >>> pedal
> >>> under drivers foot still retains some control, even on diesels.
> They
> >> do
> >>> not drive by themselves just yet.:wink:
> >> you've not worked on diesels then kiddo. the foot tells the governor
> >> what the driver wants but the governor does everything from there.
> with
> >> a gasoline engine, give it full pedal, you get full gas. with
> diesel,
> >> full pedal can give you zero injection, 30% pedal can give you full
> >> injection - it depends on load and revs, as determined by the
> governor,
> >> not the driver.
> > Can you translate kiddo into plain english for me, please? I have a
> > version, I just want to make sure it is correct.
> >
> > As for diesels, I do own one since 1995, and I'm pretty familiar with
> > its behaivior. Despite of the governor, the speed is controlled by
> > driver, and this cannot be done any other way, at least while we have
> > drivers driving cars.
> >
> > And you did not answer what all this has to do with the original
> > poster's question yet. Could you please?
> >
> >
> learn to differentiate between "speed" and "amount of diesel injected".
Huh? How about the difference between apples and oranges? Or leaves and
cooking? Or any number of other random meaningless differences?

To answer your question (what I think you REALLY meant) in easy to
understand words, the driver is controlling engine’s rotational speed,
and the governor is adjusting the amount of fuel so the speed matches
what is set by the driver no matter what engine load is (of course
within the boundaries of engine’s power, if you want to ask this next).
This is leaving out a lot of details and variations that are not
relevant to basic understanding of how this thing works. I believe I
learnt this like 30 years ago in my University course on diesels, and
don’t need to re-learn it. Don’t see how it helps OP case, though.

Frankly, I’m puzzled to see how you keep ignoring my questions and keep
mounting questions and statements that have no relation whatsoever to
the original case. Is it your general style of conversation?


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AZ Nomad wrote:

>
> Sure. Can't have all their engines lasting 300K miles. It's much
> better for honda if their engines only last through the period of their
> extended warranties.

You must be joking, right? A good deal of Honda's business success
today is built upon their reputation for robust long lasting vehicles.

John

"John Horner" > wrote in message
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> AZ Nomad wrote:
>
>>
>> Sure. Can't have all their engines lasting 300K miles. It's much
>> better for honda if their engines only last through the period of their
>> extended warranties.
>
> You must be joking, right? A good deal of Honda's business success today
> is built upon their reputation for robust long lasting vehicles.
>
> John

Exactly so. Looking in today's auto classifieds I see a 2001 Ford Taurus
advertised for $2950 and a 2001 Honda Civic DX for $9995. Fords have a
reputation for the sort of design you mention, AZ. Hondas don't... and it
shows.

Mike

On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 17:30:13 -0700, Michael Pardee > wrote:


>"John Horner" > wrote in message
>news:WnM6h.2138$5F2.1151@trnddc04...
>> AZ Nomad wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sure. Can't have all their engines lasting 300K miles. It's much
>>> better for honda if their engines only last through the period of their
>>> extended warranties.
>>
>> You must be joking, right? A good deal of Honda's business success today
>> is built upon their reputation for robust long lasting vehicles.
>>
>> John

>Exactly so. Looking in today's auto classifieds I see a 2001 Ford Taurus
>advertised for $2950 and a 2001 Honda Civic DX for $9995. Fords have a
>reputation for the sort of design you mention, AZ. Hondas don't... and it
>shows.

Of course. Who needs real quality when you have a reputation to sit on?
Have you repaired a sony lately? Absolute crap yet people still buy them
based on a reputation thirty years out of date.

AZ Nomad wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:45:15 -0800, jim beam > wrote:
>
>
>> MishaA wrote:
>> <snip>
>>> pedal
>>> under drivers foot still retains some control, even on diesels. They do
>>> not drive by themselves just yet.:wink:
>
>> you've not worked on diesels then kiddo. the foot tells the governor
>> what the driver wants but the governor does everything from there. with
>> a gasoline engine, give it full pedal, you get full gas. with diesel,
> Actually, with a gasoline engine, give it full pedal and you give it full
> air. The air flow then controls the fuel added.

right, but if gas is being injected, the air/fuel mix has to remain
roughly proportional to avoid problems with emissions, detonation, etc.
quantity of diesel injected otoh has no such restriction and can be
anything from full to zero at exactly the same rpms - and the driver has
no direct control over that.

>
>> full pedal can give you zero injection, 30% pedal can give you full
>> injection - it depends on load and revs, as determined by the governor,
>> not the driver.
>

AZ Nomad wrote:

> Of course. Who needs real quality when you have a reputation to sit on?
> Have you repaired a sony lately? Absolute crap yet people still buy them
> based on a reputation thirty years out of date.

Sony must be hit and miss because I still buy their products (as I have for
20 years) and the only problem I can recall was a bum headphone jack in a
Walkman I bought in the late 80s. In the last 3 years, I have bought a Sony
DVD player, a Sony digital camera, and a Sony stereo for my since traded-in
Accord. No problems with any of these.