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88 LeBaron vs 98 Camry
Here is a comparion for the 2 cars I still have.
-1988 LeBaron GTS 2.2 Turbo -1998 Camry 2.2L 4 Cyclinder -Bought it in 1989 with 6K Miles -Bought it in 2001 with 32K miles -Has 250K miles and running -Has 120K miles and running -No fluid leak -No fluid leak -Replaced 1 water pump -Replaced 1 water pump at 60K miles with timing belt -Replaced 1 time belt -All dash lights still work -2 Dash lights went out, Speedometer and fan speed switch (Dealer won't fix under my bumper to bumper warranty) -Original 3 speed transmission -Original 4 speed transmission, buzzing when driving in very wet road. (Dealer won't check because the road was dry) -Lots of wind and engine noise -Very quite -Car roll a lot during sharp turns -Handle much better than the LeBaron -Brakes have no problems -Have brake problem since day one, replaced 2 sets of rear drums -Dealer won't test drive the car without charging me, because the brake problem appear after a long drive (10 miles) on highway and braking on exit ramp. -No ABS -Has ABS -Replaced Steering Rack -Steering is still good. -Wheels are good -Found out all four wheels are not round a year later, needs to replaced them all, ride much better now Well, I have better luck and service with the LeBaron for the past 15 years. The Toyota is still a more dependable car and I usually take it for long trips. But I have a problem with the 2 Toyota Dealers I dealt with. My next car will be a Honda. Kenny |
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> Well, I have better luck and service with the LeBaron for the past 15
years. > The Toyota is still a more dependable car and I usually take it for long > trips. But I have a problem with the 2 Toyota Dealers I dealt with. My next > car will be a Honda. Have fun with the Honda. About the same reliability as the Toyota. 2% better or worse depnding on the stats you read. If you want reliability, get a Hyundai. I HATE to say it, but their stats are the top rated. -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. http://www.autodrill.com http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com V8013 |
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HYUNDAI??????????????
no way!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- EL FORY - "I still have the sun to kiss your shadow" "Joe AutoDrill" > wrote in message ... > > Well, I have better luck and service with the LeBaron for the past 15 > years. > > The Toyota is still a more dependable car and I usually take it for long > > trips. But I have a problem with the 2 Toyota Dealers I dealt with. My > next > > car will be a Honda. > > Have fun with the Honda. About the same reliability as the Toyota. 2% > better or worse depnding on the stats you read. > > If you want reliability, get a Hyundai. I HATE to say it, but their stats > are the top rated. > -- > > > Regards, > Joe Agro, Jr. > http://www.autodrill.com > http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com > > V8013 > > > |
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Check the stats... My gut reaction too. In fact, my gut reaction (probably
based on the 80's cars they made) would still probably keep me from buying one, but they do have the best records right now. -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. http://www.autodrill.com http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com V8013 "EL FORY" > wrote in message ... > HYUNDAI?????????????? > > no way!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > -- > EL FORY - "I still have the sun to kiss your shadow" > > > > "Joe AutoDrill" > wrote in > message ... > > > Well, I have better luck and service with the LeBaron for the past 15 > > years. > > > The Toyota is still a more dependable car and I usually take it for long > > > trips. But I have a problem with the 2 Toyota Dealers I dealt with. My > > next > > > car will be a Honda. > > > > Have fun with the Honda. About the same reliability as the Toyota. 2% > > better or worse depnding on the stats you read. > > > > If you want reliability, get a Hyundai. I HATE to say it, but their stats > > are the top rated. > > -- > > > > > > Regards, > > Joe Agro, Jr. > > http://www.autodrill.com > > http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com > > > > V8013 > > > > > > > > |
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See, buy one now, and it can be as good as a Stealth plane, but what about
in 5, 7, or 10 years?? I've seen 1990's Camrys that run and feel like new, that's 14 years !!. Again, I'm stuck with Toyotas; I've never had a Honda, but it seems that they're very reliable too. I've had 2 VW's ['85 Golf and '90 Jetta], and even though there were 5 years apart, they both were very bad cars; specially the electrical system and suspension. Ford's are out of the map; I won't waste my time talking about them. My Brother in law has had 3 Toyota pickup trucks, my brother has a Corolla, my dad has 2 Camrys, and I have a 2001 4Runner and a '96 Camry; No major problems whatsoever on all of those cars. In conclusion, if something works for you, stick with it!!! -- EL FORY - "I still have the sun to kiss your shadow" "Joe AutoDrill" > wrote in message ... > Check the stats... My gut reaction too. In fact, my gut reaction (probably > based on the 80's cars they made) would still probably keep me from buying > one, but they do have the best records right now. > > -- > > > Regards, > Joe Agro, Jr. > http://www.autodrill.com > http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com > > V8013 > > > "EL FORY" > wrote in message > ... > > HYUNDAI?????????????? > > > > no way!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > -- > > EL FORY - "I still have the sun to kiss your shadow" > > > > > > > > "Joe AutoDrill" > wrote in > > message ... > > > > Well, I have better luck and service with the LeBaron for the past 15 > > > years. > > > > The Toyota is still a more dependable car and I usually take it for > long > > > > trips. But I have a problem with the 2 Toyota Dealers I dealt with. My > > > next > > > > car will be a Honda. > > > > > > Have fun with the Honda. About the same reliability as the Toyota. 2% > > > better or worse depnding on the stats you read. > > > > > > If you want reliability, get a Hyundai. I HATE to say it, but their > stats > > > are the top rated. > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Joe Agro, Jr. > > > http://www.autodrill.com > > > http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com > > > > > > V8013 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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See, buy one now, and it can be as good as a Stealth plane, but what about
in 5, 7, or 10 years?? I've seen 1990's Camrys that run and feel like new, that's 14 years !!. Again, I'm stuck with Toyotas; I've never had a Honda, but it seems that they're very reliable too. I've had 2 VW's ['85 Golf and '90 Jetta], and even though there were 5 years apart, they both were very bad cars; specially the electrical system and suspension. Ford's are out of the map; I won't waste my time talking about them. My Brother in law has had 3 Toyota pickup trucks, my brother has a Corolla, my dad has 2 Camrys, and I have a 2001 4Runner and a '96 Camry; No major problems whatsoever on all of those cars. In conclusion, if something works for you, stick with it!!! -- EL FORY - "I still have the sun to kiss your shadow" "Joe AutoDrill" > wrote in message ... > Check the stats... My gut reaction too. In fact, my gut reaction (probably > based on the 80's cars they made) would still probably keep me from buying > one, but they do have the best records right now. > > -- > > > Regards, > Joe Agro, Jr. > http://www.autodrill.com > http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com > > V8013 > > > "EL FORY" > wrote in message > ... > > HYUNDAI?????????????? > > > > no way!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > -- > > EL FORY - "I still have the sun to kiss your shadow" > > > > > > > > "Joe AutoDrill" > wrote in > > message ... > > > > Well, I have better luck and service with the LeBaron for the past 15 > > > years. > > > > The Toyota is still a more dependable car and I usually take it for > long > > > > trips. But I have a problem with the 2 Toyota Dealers I dealt with. My > > > next > > > > car will be a Honda. > > > > > > Have fun with the Honda. About the same reliability as the Toyota. 2% > > > better or worse depnding on the stats you read. > > > > > > If you want reliability, get a Hyundai. I HATE to say it, but their > stats > > > are the top rated. > > > -- > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > Joe Agro, Jr. > > > http://www.autodrill.com > > > http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com > > > > > > V8013 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |
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Check the stats... My gut reaction too. In fact, my gut reaction (probably
based on the 80's cars they made) would still probably keep me from buying one, but they do have the best records right now. -- Regards, Joe Agro, Jr. http://www.autodrill.com http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com V8013 "EL FORY" > wrote in message ... > HYUNDAI?????????????? > > no way!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > -- > EL FORY - "I still have the sun to kiss your shadow" > > > > "Joe AutoDrill" > wrote in > message ... > > > Well, I have better luck and service with the LeBaron for the past 15 > > years. > > > The Toyota is still a more dependable car and I usually take it for long > > > trips. But I have a problem with the 2 Toyota Dealers I dealt with. My > > next > > > car will be a Honda. > > > > Have fun with the Honda. About the same reliability as the Toyota. 2% > > better or worse depnding on the stats you read. > > > > If you want reliability, get a Hyundai. I HATE to say it, but their stats > > are the top rated. > > -- > > > > > > Regards, > > Joe Agro, Jr. > > http://www.autodrill.com > > http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com > > > > V8013 > > > > > > > > |
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HYUNDAI??????????????
no way!!!!!!!!!!!!! -- EL FORY - "I still have the sun to kiss your shadow" "Joe AutoDrill" > wrote in message ... > > Well, I have better luck and service with the LeBaron for the past 15 > years. > > The Toyota is still a more dependable car and I usually take it for long > > trips. But I have a problem with the 2 Toyota Dealers I dealt with. My > next > > car will be a Honda. > > Have fun with the Honda. About the same reliability as the Toyota. 2% > better or worse depnding on the stats you read. > > If you want reliability, get a Hyundai. I HATE to say it, but their stats > are the top rated. > -- > > > Regards, > Joe Agro, Jr. > http://www.autodrill.com > http://www.multi-spindle-heads.com > > V8013 > > > |
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"Joe AutoDrill" > wrote in message ... > > Well, I have better luck and service with the LeBaron for the past 15 > years. > > The Toyota is still a more dependable car and I usually take it for long > > trips. But I have a problem with the 2 Toyota Dealers I dealt with. My > next > > car will be a Honda. > > Have fun with the Honda. About the same reliability as the Toyota. 2% > better or worse depnding on the stats you read. > > If you want reliability, get a Hyundai. I HATE to say it, but their stats > are the top rated. .. . .for initial build quality, which is good if you keep the car for a year, but it's the long term that counts, so it will be a couple of years to know how good modern Hyundais are in the long term. Now granted the modern Hyundai is a lot better than the Pony of days gone by, but I don't know if I'd call it exceptional quite yet. |
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"Joe AutoDrill" > wrote in message ... > > Well, I have better luck and service with the LeBaron for the past 15 > years. > > The Toyota is still a more dependable car and I usually take it for long > > trips. But I have a problem with the 2 Toyota Dealers I dealt with. My > next > > car will be a Honda. > > Have fun with the Honda. About the same reliability as the Toyota. 2% > better or worse depnding on the stats you read. > > If you want reliability, get a Hyundai. I HATE to say it, but their stats > are the top rated. .. . .for initial build quality, which is good if you keep the car for a year, but it's the long term that counts, so it will be a couple of years to know how good modern Hyundais are in the long term. Now granted the modern Hyundai is a lot better than the Pony of days gone by, but I don't know if I'd call it exceptional quite yet. |
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