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Instead of turning over hundreds of dollars to the dealer I order the energy
Suspensions bushings and put them in tonight. With hand tools it took a bit over an hour to do both sides. The clunks are gone. How do they figure 2.5 hours labor and a $450.00 bill to do something this easy? Richard. |
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Richard wrote:
>>I've used energy suspension bushings on two cars. They're very good parts, >>but be sure to get the graphite impregated type (Polygraphite brand) >>rather than plain polyurethane. Especially on sway-bar bushings, plain >>polyeurethane will make squeaking/squawking noises after the initial >>lubricant gets washed away. > > > Just sent your comments to Energy Suspension and they informed me that, with > the exception of just a few appropriate applications, their bushings, be > they red or black, do not contain carbon (your reference to graphite). They > say that the few applications that would benefit from carbon get them. The > set I was just sent came with a tube of bushing lube which they tell me > should last the life of the bushings. Coincidentally, I just discovered the same thing in a phone conversation this very week with Energy Suspension about the black sway bar bushings not having graphite in them. Also this week I discover that my Energy Suspension sway bar bushings (2 years old) are totally worn out - that the thumping noise in my Concorde was being caused by them rather than the end links which I just replaced (probably needed replacing anyway at 130+k miles, and at $18 each, no big deal). The web sites of the distributors of Energy Suspension's products are *very* misleading on this point ( graphite not being in the black sway bar bushings). One of them argued with me on the phone about it when I called to see what they had to say about it. TRW makes what appear to be some very nice replacement ones at $9 a pair for my Concorde - going to be installed this week end. Not sure what they are made of, but not the usual factory rubber (http://300mclub.100megs42.com/forums...pic.php?t=8081). Lifetime warranty. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') |
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Richard wrote:
> Instead of turning over hundreds of dollars to the dealer I order the energy > Suspensions bushings and put them in tonight. With hand tools it took a bit > over an hour to do both sides. The clunks are gone. How do they figure 2.5 > hours labor and a $450.00 bill to do something this easy? Did they come with brackets with the zerk fittings? If so, make sure you grease them (see my other post). Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') |
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Bill Putney wrote:
> Richard wrote: > >> Does anyone have experience with "Energy Suspension's" polyurethane >> bushing and sway bar suspension components? I am thinking of using >> them to replace my worn PT Cruiser bushings. > > > They'd be the last sway bar bushings you would need to buy for that > vehicle. I spoke a few days to soon. I just discovered that my Energy Suspension bushings are totally shot. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') |
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"Bill Putney" > wrote in message ... > Bill Putney wrote: > >> Richard wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have experience with "Energy Suspension's" polyurethane >>> bushing and sway bar suspension components? I am thinking of using them >>> to replace my worn PT Cruiser bushings. >> >> >> They'd be the last sway bar bushings you would need to buy for that >> vehicle. > > I spoke a few days to soon. I just discovered that my Energy Suspension > bushings are totally shot. > > Bill Putney Lifetime warranty. Do you want their phone number? Richard. |
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"Bill Putney" > wrote in message ... > Richard wrote: > >> Instead of turning over hundreds of dollars to the dealer I order the >> energy Suspensions bushings and put them in tonight. With hand tools it >> took a bit over an hour to do both sides. The clunks are gone. How do >> they figure 2.5 hours labor and a $450.00 bill to do something this easy? > > Did they come with brackets with the zerk fittings? If so, make sure you > grease them (see my other post). > > Bill Putney Well the link ends for the sway bar don't need zerk fittings, and the two large bushings are just that bushings, you don't get brackets and so you don't get zerk fittings. They did come with a tube of lube. If I only get another 40,000 miles out of them I won't cry since they were easy to change out. I called and told them to change the info on their web site since it implies that the bushing sets come with new fittings, and bolts. They tell me they only come with their generic sway bar sets. Very confusing to say the least. Richard. |
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Richard wrote:
> "Bill Putney" > wrote in message > ... > >>Bill Putney wrote: >> >> >>>Richard wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Does anyone have experience with "Energy Suspension's" polyurethane >>>>bushing and sway bar suspension components? I am thinking of using them >>>>to replace my worn PT Cruiser bushings. >>> >>> >>>They'd be the last sway bar bushings you would need to buy for that >>>vehicle. >> >>I spoke a few days to soon. I just discovered that my Energy Suspension >>bushings are totally shot. >> >>Bill Putney > > > Lifetime warranty. Do you want their phone number? For some reasom, I missed the life time warranty on their web site. I have their phone number - talked to them earilier this week when I found out about the black bushins not having graphite in them. I will call them back and get a refund. I wonder if I have to ship the old ones back. For the little that they cost (around $14 or $16), it may not be worth the trouble and cost of shipping. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') |
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Richard wrote:
> "Bill Putney" > wrote in message > ... > >>Richard wrote: >> >> >>>Instead of turning over hundreds of dollars to the dealer I order the >>>energy Suspensions bushings and put them in tonight. With hand tools it >>>took a bit over an hour to do both sides. The clunks are gone. How do >>>they figure 2.5 hours labor and a $450.00 bill to do something this easy? >> >>Did they come with brackets with the zerk fittings? If so, make sure you >>grease them (see my other post). >> >>Bill Putney > > > Well the link ends for the sway bar don't need zerk fittings, and the two > large bushings are just that bushings, you don't get brackets and so you > don't get zerk fittings. They did come with a tube of lube. If I only get > another 40,000 miles out of them I won't cry since they were easy to change > out. I called and told them to change the info on their web site since it > implies that the bushing sets come with new fittings, and bolts. They tell > me they only come with their generic sway bar sets. Very confusing to say > the least. Moog makes end links with zerks on them (in their line Problem Solver™). People go all a-ga-ga when they find out you can get those with zerks. Here's a write up I did complete with pictures on the 300M Enthusiasts Club forums: http://300mclub.100megs42.com/forums...pic.php?t=8050. As far as the Energy Suspension bushings, I have a Concorde - they do not make an exact drop-in bushing for the LH cars, so you I had to get their "universal" set that comes with its own brackets that you modify to fit the chassis holes - that's what you were saying ( "generic"). Those brackets have zerk fittings. For my pictures of those, see the first picture in this thread on the 300M Enthusiasts Club forums: http://300mclub.100megs42.com/forums...pic.php?t=8081 If you read that thread, you'll see that I'm going to give the TRW OEM-type drop-ins a try - at this point I think they'll work better. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') |
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The problem with the Cruiser is that Chrysler did a poor deisgn job. The
link end bolt does not lineup with the hole in the sway bar end, forcing the end bushing to pull and distort and not seat flush on the flatend end of the sway bar. This is why the link end fail so often in this application. Still can't figure out how the dealer wanted over $400.00 to do what took me under an hour with hand tools and $40.00 worth of link ends and bushings. Richard. |
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Richard wrote:
> The problem with the Cruiser is that Chrysler did a poor deisgn job. The > link end bolt does not lineup with the hole in the sway bar end, forcing the > end bushing to pull and distort and not seat flush on the flatend end of the > sway bar. This is why the link end fail so often in this application. > > Still can't figure out how the dealer wanted over $400.00 to do what took me > under an hour with hand tools and $40.00 worth of link ends and bushings. Hey - you can't blame them for trying, can you? 8^) BTW - I just installed those TRW sway bar bushings tonight to beat the cold weather coming in tonight. Thumping on bumps is totally gone. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my adddress with the letter 'x') |
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