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US needs to do something about SUV's and trucks
Too many people are buying them. It's getting out of hand. If you are in
an accident with one of these things, your chances of dying go up alot. The worst part is when the suspension is all jacked up on them- then the bumper will go through a window or over a hood. They need to, at the minimum, mandate that all SUV's not have their bumpers over a certain height, and not have suspensions over a certain height. That goes for trucks too. People could also get new springs and suspensions for their SUV's so they would ride lower, and that would help alot too. Using a low unibody construction on the part of manufacturers, would also help. OH, and SUV's also tend to block the view of car drivers- you can't see traffick lights or things ahead because there's a big SUV in front. |
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Did you just figure this out? What, are you ten years old? |
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Did you just figure this out? What, are you ten years old? |
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No, it's just me ranting.
Anti-SUV folks need to organize. Detroit Project is a good start, but I think there needs to be a group specificly advocating for the safety dangers posed by SUV's, apart from the environmental concerns (which are no less legitimate, but Detroit Project seems to focus on the environmental risks). At one time cigarette smoking was very popular in this country too. Just because SUV's are common, doesn't mean the tide can't turn against it if you lay out the evidence- and the evidence for SUV's is that they put other drivers in danger by poor handling characteristics, poor braking, poor tire choices, and high suspensions- and they obscure the view for other drivers. In the hands of an inexperienced individual, they also are quite capable of killing the selfsame driver. If all Americans drove real cars with as few trucks as possible, with good airbags, and we all buckled up, we'd all be safer. An SUV might be safer in a pure vehicular collision for the driver, but it also starts from the assumption that a collision is inevitable and that an individual has no social responsability (I could make myself safe from burglarly, for instance, by mounting chainguns that are hooked up to a motion sensor on my property, but when the mailman gets chewed to pieces by a thousand bullets, I don't think that's too socially responsable, right?). It also focuses too much on frontal collisions- in a side collision with another SUV the SUV is going to be just as vulnerable as the car to car collision. So the arms race for a bigger car nedes to stop. All the soccer moms need to put their sprogs in a station wagon and exercise some common sense. |
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No, it's just me ranting.
Anti-SUV folks need to organize. Detroit Project is a good start, but I think there needs to be a group specificly advocating for the safety dangers posed by SUV's, apart from the environmental concerns (which are no less legitimate, but Detroit Project seems to focus on the environmental risks). At one time cigarette smoking was very popular in this country too. Just because SUV's are common, doesn't mean the tide can't turn against it if you lay out the evidence- and the evidence for SUV's is that they put other drivers in danger by poor handling characteristics, poor braking, poor tire choices, and high suspensions- and they obscure the view for other drivers. In the hands of an inexperienced individual, they also are quite capable of killing the selfsame driver. If all Americans drove real cars with as few trucks as possible, with good airbags, and we all buckled up, we'd all be safer. An SUV might be safer in a pure vehicular collision for the driver, but it also starts from the assumption that a collision is inevitable and that an individual has no social responsability (I could make myself safe from burglarly, for instance, by mounting chainguns that are hooked up to a motion sensor on my property, but when the mailman gets chewed to pieces by a thousand bullets, I don't think that's too socially responsable, right?). It also focuses too much on frontal collisions- in a side collision with another SUV the SUV is going to be just as vulnerable as the car to car collision. So the arms race for a bigger car nedes to stop. All the soccer moms need to put their sprogs in a station wagon and exercise some common sense. |
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"Magnulus" > wrote in message news > Too many people are buying them. It's getting out of hand. If you are in > an accident with one of these things, your chances of dying go up alot. The > worst part is when the suspension is all jacked up on them- then the bumper > will go through a window or over a hood. They need to, at the minimum, > mandate that all SUV's not have their bumpers over a certain height, and not > have suspensions over a certain height. That goes for trucks too. People > could also get new springs and suspensions for their SUV's so they would > ride lower, and that would help alot too. Using a low unibody construction > on the part of manufacturers, would also help. Getting rid of that CAFE nonsense - or atleast modifying it so that manufacturers are given a better incentive to produce cars - would be a good start. > OH, and SUV's also tend to block the view of car drivers- you can't see > traffick lights or things ahead because there's a big SUV in front. Or when you are exiting a parking space. A couple of years ago, my car was struck on the LR bumper as I was leaving a parking lot by some guy in a Mazda sedan who was backing out of a parking space which was surrounded by a pair of large trucks. IIRC, it was even noted on the police report that his view was obstructed by the trucks. Of course, that did not excuse him for striking my vehicle and he (or more accurately, his insurance co.) had to pay for my damages. |
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"Magnulus" > wrote in message news > Too many people are buying them. It's getting out of hand. If you are in > an accident with one of these things, your chances of dying go up alot. The > worst part is when the suspension is all jacked up on them- then the bumper > will go through a window or over a hood. They need to, at the minimum, > mandate that all SUV's not have their bumpers over a certain height, and not > have suspensions over a certain height. That goes for trucks too. People > could also get new springs and suspensions for their SUV's so they would > ride lower, and that would help alot too. Using a low unibody construction > on the part of manufacturers, would also help. Getting rid of that CAFE nonsense - or atleast modifying it so that manufacturers are given a better incentive to produce cars - would be a good start. > OH, and SUV's also tend to block the view of car drivers- you can't see > traffick lights or things ahead because there's a big SUV in front. Or when you are exiting a parking space. A couple of years ago, my car was struck on the LR bumper as I was leaving a parking lot by some guy in a Mazda sedan who was backing out of a parking space which was surrounded by a pair of large trucks. IIRC, it was even noted on the police report that his view was obstructed by the trucks. Of course, that did not excuse him for striking my vehicle and he (or more accurately, his insurance co.) had to pay for my damages. |
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"Paul" <Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend is@the league of ****ing idiots and welfare bums.org> wrote in message ... > Getting rid of that CAFE nonsense - or atleast modifying it so that > manufacturers are given a better incentive to produce cars - would be a > good start. CAFE serves the goal, though, of improving fuel efficiency. I don't see how you can completely eliminate it without sacrificing fuel efficiency, without levying a tax on gasoline (perhaps not a bad idea, if the funds go to paying for public transit). Either that, or reclassify SUV's as cars or a new category altogether. People are clearly using SUV's in place of cars, so they should be governed under similar regulations. |
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"Paul" <Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend is@the league of ****ing idiots and welfare bums.org> wrote in message ... > Getting rid of that CAFE nonsense - or atleast modifying it so that > manufacturers are given a better incentive to produce cars - would be a > good start. CAFE serves the goal, though, of improving fuel efficiency. I don't see how you can completely eliminate it without sacrificing fuel efficiency, without levying a tax on gasoline (perhaps not a bad idea, if the funds go to paying for public transit). Either that, or reclassify SUV's as cars or a new category altogether. People are clearly using SUV's in place of cars, so they should be governed under similar regulations. |
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> If all Americans drove real cars with as few trucks as possible, with > good airbags, and we all buckled up, we'd all be safer. An SUV might be > safer in a pure vehicular collision for the driver, but it also starts > from > the assumption that a collision is inevitable and that an individual has > no > social responsability (I could make myself safe from burglarly, for > instance, by mounting chainguns that are hooked up to a motion sensor on > my > property, but when the mailman gets chewed to pieces by a thousand > bullets, > I don't think that's too socially responsable, right?). It also focuses > too > much on frontal collisions- in a side collision with another SUV the SUV > is > going to be just as vulnerable as the car to car collision. So the arms > race for a bigger car nedes to stop. All the soccer moms need to put > their sprogs in a station wagon and exercise some common sense. Perhaps if some one actually made a "real car" but the CAFE rules took car of all those nice 20 plus foot family station wagons. The crap that's produced today as station wagons (except for the new Dodge Magnum) can barely fit, two adults + 3 or 4 kids, ever think this is why your so called soccer mom's or other people with large families drive SUV's and mini vans???? If you don't like suv's and large vehicles then don't buy one or drive on. Don't bash them.. I hate small little imports from Asian countries, but I have yet to post about how dangerous and retarded they are (the vehicles not the people), I have also refrained from claiming blindly (like you have with your soccer mom comments) that "everyone who drives a Toyota, Honda, vw or any other import are just street racing crazed lunatics who should be ticketed just for owning one." Whoops I just said that... oh well Snow .. My JEEP is not a SUVEE and YOUR SUVEE isn't a JEEP. |
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