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C. E. White wrote:
> I know little about snow tires and have never felt that I > needed any. I felt the same way until I actually got a set. A set will probably cost a little more than you would pay for a tow, but it's definitely cheaper than the body shop. |
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C. E. White wrote:
> I know little about snow tires and have never felt that I > needed any. I felt the same way until I actually got a set. A set will probably cost a little more than you would pay for a tow, but it's definitely cheaper than the body shop. |
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Arif Khokar wrote: > > C. E. White wrote: > > > I know little about snow tires and have never felt that I > > needed any. > > I felt the same way until I actually got a set. A set will probably > cost a little more than you would pay for a tow, but it's definitely > cheaper than the body shop. I don't claim to be an expert on winter driving. I spent one winter in Michigan (1978 - it was bad) and have to endure one or two snow storms a year here in NC. I have never found driving on snow to be much of a challenge. In fact, the winter in Michigan was a piece of cake. I was driving a Datsun 280Z at the time and never once had any problem despite repeated snow storms and the OE Bridgestone tires. I actually find winter storms in NC to be much worse, mostly because of the lack of expertise by many NC drivers, the lack of adequate snow removal equipment, and the repeated cycles of thaws and refreezes that result in a lot of ice on the roads. Biggest challenge I had was driving a 2001 Mustang GT convertible home on a hilly road after an ice storm. Between the limited slip rear axle and the traction control, the car was almost undrivable. I never lost control, but because of the stop and go traffic, I was often stopped on the up slope of a steep hill. Getting the car started without bring the rear end around was a challenge. Fortunately I was patient and eventually made it home without incident. I can't say the same for a number of people in SUVs who didn't understand that ice equals little or no traction no matter how big your tires are and whether 2 or 4 are being driven. Ed |
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Arif Khokar wrote: > > C. E. White wrote: > > > I know little about snow tires and have never felt that I > > needed any. > > I felt the same way until I actually got a set. A set will probably > cost a little more than you would pay for a tow, but it's definitely > cheaper than the body shop. I don't claim to be an expert on winter driving. I spent one winter in Michigan (1978 - it was bad) and have to endure one or two snow storms a year here in NC. I have never found driving on snow to be much of a challenge. In fact, the winter in Michigan was a piece of cake. I was driving a Datsun 280Z at the time and never once had any problem despite repeated snow storms and the OE Bridgestone tires. I actually find winter storms in NC to be much worse, mostly because of the lack of expertise by many NC drivers, the lack of adequate snow removal equipment, and the repeated cycles of thaws and refreezes that result in a lot of ice on the roads. Biggest challenge I had was driving a 2001 Mustang GT convertible home on a hilly road after an ice storm. Between the limited slip rear axle and the traction control, the car was almost undrivable. I never lost control, but because of the stop and go traffic, I was often stopped on the up slope of a steep hill. Getting the car started without bring the rear end around was a challenge. Fortunately I was patient and eventually made it home without incident. I can't say the same for a number of people in SUVs who didn't understand that ice equals little or no traction no matter how big your tires are and whether 2 or 4 are being driven. Ed |
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"C. E. White" > wrote
> wrote: > >> Which doesn't imply that you are correct in any way. I would suggest >> that the experiences of an automotive profession carries more weight >> than some d00d in usenet. > > I know little about snow tires and have never felt that I > needed any. I do however have an opinion of automobile > magazine authors. Elevating most of them to "automotive > profession<al>" is a little much. Maybe CSABA CSERE is a > great author and maybe he has driven a lot of cool cars, but > I imagine his area of expertise is not tire dynamics. If you had investigated further, you would discover that Csaba is an "MIT educated automotive engineer". Are you? If not, perhaps you should accede to his expert opinion. > The > particular article quoted was interesting, but seemed to be > little more than one man's opinion. The fact that his > opinion was printed in Car and Driver doesn't make it any > more valid than one man's opinion expressed through the > internet. The whole article smacked of a Tire Rack article > designed to sell snow tires. If you have actually read C&D for a while, you would know that they actually test things that they talk about. For instance, a couple of years ago they tested snow tires and DSC, etc. The tables are easy to read, even for non-technical persons. Floyd |
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"C. E. White" > wrote
> wrote: > >> Which doesn't imply that you are correct in any way. I would suggest >> that the experiences of an automotive profession carries more weight >> than some d00d in usenet. > > I know little about snow tires and have never felt that I > needed any. I do however have an opinion of automobile > magazine authors. Elevating most of them to "automotive > profession<al>" is a little much. Maybe CSABA CSERE is a > great author and maybe he has driven a lot of cool cars, but > I imagine his area of expertise is not tire dynamics. If you had investigated further, you would discover that Csaba is an "MIT educated automotive engineer". Are you? If not, perhaps you should accede to his expert opinion. > The > particular article quoted was interesting, but seemed to be > little more than one man's opinion. The fact that his > opinion was printed in Car and Driver doesn't make it any > more valid than one man's opinion expressed through the > internet. The whole article smacked of a Tire Rack article > designed to sell snow tires. If you have actually read C&D for a while, you would know that they actually test things that they talk about. For instance, a couple of years ago they tested snow tires and DSC, etc. The tables are easy to read, even for non-technical persons. Floyd |
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"C. E. White" > wrote
> Arif Khokar wrote: >> C. E. White wrote: >> >> > I know little about snow tires and have never felt that I >> > needed any. >> >> I felt the same way until I actually got a set. A set will probably >> cost a little more than you would pay for a tow, but it's definitely >> cheaper than the body shop. > > I don't claim to be an expert on winter driving. I spent one > winter in Michigan (1978 - it was bad) and have to endure > one or two snow storms a year here in NC. I have never found > driving on snow to be much of a challenge. In fact, the > winter in Michigan was a piece of cake. I was driving a > Datsun 280Z at the time and never once had any problem > despite repeated snow storms and the OE Bridgestone tires. > > ... Biggest challenge I had was driving a 2001 > Mustang GT convertible home on a hilly road after an ice > storm. Between the limited slip rear axle and the traction > control, the car was almost undrivable. I never lost > control, but because of the stop and go traffic, I was often > stopped on the up slope of a steep hill. Getting the car > started without bring the rear end around was a challenge. > Fortunately I was patient and eventually made it home > without incident. I can't say the same for a number of > people in SUVs who didn't understand that ice equals little > or no traction no matter how big your tires are and whether > 2 or 4 are being driven. Looks like your patience got you through. But, the fact is that if you had had snows (even if just on the rears of your RWD cars), you would have had a much easier time of it. Floyd (Drives on snow up to 100 days a year). |
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"C. E. White" > wrote
> Arif Khokar wrote: >> C. E. White wrote: >> >> > I know little about snow tires and have never felt that I >> > needed any. >> >> I felt the same way until I actually got a set. A set will probably >> cost a little more than you would pay for a tow, but it's definitely >> cheaper than the body shop. > > I don't claim to be an expert on winter driving. I spent one > winter in Michigan (1978 - it was bad) and have to endure > one or two snow storms a year here in NC. I have never found > driving on snow to be much of a challenge. In fact, the > winter in Michigan was a piece of cake. I was driving a > Datsun 280Z at the time and never once had any problem > despite repeated snow storms and the OE Bridgestone tires. > > ... Biggest challenge I had was driving a 2001 > Mustang GT convertible home on a hilly road after an ice > storm. Between the limited slip rear axle and the traction > control, the car was almost undrivable. I never lost > control, but because of the stop and go traffic, I was often > stopped on the up slope of a steep hill. Getting the car > started without bring the rear end around was a challenge. > Fortunately I was patient and eventually made it home > without incident. I can't say the same for a number of > people in SUVs who didn't understand that ice equals little > or no traction no matter how big your tires are and whether > 2 or 4 are being driven. Looks like your patience got you through. But, the fact is that if you had had snows (even if just on the rears of your RWD cars), you would have had a much easier time of it. Floyd (Drives on snow up to 100 days a year). |
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fbloogyudsr wrote: > > "C. E. White" > wrote > > Arif Khokar wrote: > >> C. E. White wrote: > >> > >> > I know little about snow tires and have never felt that I > >> > needed any. > >> > >> I felt the same way until I actually got a set. A set will probably > >> cost a little more than you would pay for a tow, but it's definitely > >> cheaper than the body shop. > > > > I don't claim to be an expert on winter driving. I spent one > > winter in Michigan (1978 - it was bad) and have to endure > > one or two snow storms a year here in NC. I have never found > > driving on snow to be much of a challenge. In fact, the > > winter in Michigan was a piece of cake. I was driving a > > Datsun 280Z at the time and never once had any problem > > despite repeated snow storms and the OE Bridgestone tires. > > > > ... Biggest challenge I had was driving a 2001 > > Mustang GT convertible home on a hilly road after an ice > > storm. Between the limited slip rear axle and the traction > > control, the car was almost undrivable. I never lost > > control, but because of the stop and go traffic, I was often > > stopped on the up slope of a steep hill. Getting the car > > started without bring the rear end around was a challenge. > > Fortunately I was patient and eventually made it home > > without incident. I can't say the same for a number of > > people in SUVs who didn't understand that ice equals little > > or no traction no matter how big your tires are and whether > > 2 or 4 are being driven. > > Looks like your patience got you through. But, the fact is > that if you had had snows (even if just on the rears of your RWD > cars), you would have had a much easier time of it. Maybe, but from what I have seen, snow tires don't help all that much on ice. I suppose if I lived in a place where you had snow on the ground 100 days a year, I'd buy snow tires as well. I can't see doing it for 5 days a year (well 14 days one year). Ed |
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