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> wrote in message ... >I saw that at http://www.rense.com > There is a Video too. > cuhulin Interesting numbers. If we could actually produce hydrogen quickly and easily, we could forget fossil fuels and batteries. Dan Nocera, by the way, makes rather limiting statements on energy density increases of batteries. |
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Water Cracking (producing free, sort of free) fuel on the go.
Like I have said before about those grand schemes/ideas, I will believe it when I see it.Same for those UFOs too, and I have never seen a UFO yet in my 69 years on this Earth. cuhulin .................................................. .... Take us to your leader, after all, we have a right, we are your nearest satellite. [All Your Base Are Belong To Us!] .................................................. .... |
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> wrote in message ... > Water Cracking (producing free, sort of free) fuel on the go. > Like I have said before about those grand schemes/ideas, I will believe > it when I see it.Same for those UFOs too, and I have never seen a UFO > yet in my 69 years on this Earth. > cuhulin > .................................................. ... > Take us to your leader, after all, we have a right, we are your nearest > satellite. > [All Your Base Are Belong To Us!] > .................................................. ... Go back to thermodynamics...Nothing is free. Some things are darn reasonable. Our troglodytic forefathers made it walking. We are too weak for that, I guess. |
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hls wrote:
> > > wrote in message > ... >> I saw that at http://www.rense.com >> There is a Video too. >> cuhulin > > Interesting numbers. If we could actually produce hydrogen quickly > and easily, we could forget fossil fuels and batteries. > > Dan Nocera, by the way, makes rather limiting statements on > energy density increases of batteries. Hydrogen is quick and easy with electrolysis using coal powered electricity. Cost, storage and transport are the sticky wickets. -- Andrew Muzi <www.yellowjersey.org/> Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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> writes >Hydrogen is quick and easy with electrolysis using coal powered >electricity. Cost, storage and transport are the sticky wickets. If you've already got the electricity, why convert it to a very inefficient burning of electrolysis (20% top) compared to a good electric motor (up to 98%)? -- Clive |
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"AMuzi" > wrote in message news:ikp7e4> > Hydrogen is quick and easy with electrolysis using coal > powered electricity. Cost, storage and transport are the > sticky wickets. > > -- > Andrew Muzi One problem is that using electricity generated by coal is environmentally very poor technology. If this guy can make hydrogen at low cost, there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Storage and transport is possible. Statoil has dedicated the highway from Stavanger to Oslo as possibly the world's first hydrogen highway. This means the fuel will be available along this stretch of road. This is not "maybe" but in progress. As we mature, nothing gets simpler. Running mammoths off a cliff was high technology just a few millenia ago, but now we need to run our mammoths on the road and try not to extinct ourselves in the fumes. med vennlig hilsen |
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hls wrote:
> > "AMuzi" > wrote in message news:ikp7e4> >> Hydrogen is quick and easy with electrolysis using coal powered >> electricity. Cost, storage and transport are the sticky wickets. >> >> -- >> Andrew Muzi > > One problem is that using electricity generated by coal is environmentally > very poor technology. If this guy can make hydrogen at low cost, there > is a light at the end of > the tunnel. > > Storage and transport is possible. Statoil has dedicated the highway > from Stavanger to Oslo as possibly the world's first hydrogen highway. > This means the fuel will be available along this stretch of road. This is > not "maybe" but in progress. > > As we mature, nothing gets simpler. Running mammoths off a cliff was > high technology just a few millenia ago, but now we need to run our > mammoths on the road and try not to extinct ourselves in the fumes. > > med vennlig hilsen > Guys who work with hydrogen report that it is amazingly permeable through their fixtures and systems. Quite a difficult problem, actually. Maybe not unsolvable but daunting at any rate. -- Andrew Muzi <www.yellowjersey.org/> Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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AMuzi wrote:
> hls wrote: >> >> "AMuzi" > wrote in message news:ikp7e4> >>> Hydrogen is quick and easy with electrolysis using coal powered >>> electricity. Cost, storage and transport are the sticky wickets. >>> >>> -- >>> Andrew Muzi >> >> One problem is that using electricity generated by coal is >> environmentally >> very poor technology. If this guy can make hydrogen at low cost, >> there is a light at the end of >> the tunnel. >> >> Storage and transport is possible. Statoil has dedicated the highway >> from Stavanger to Oslo as possibly the world's first hydrogen highway. >> This means the fuel will be available along this stretch of road. >> This is >> not "maybe" but in progress. >> >> As we mature, nothing gets simpler. Running mammoths off a cliff was >> high technology just a few millenia ago, but now we need to run our >> mammoths on the road and try not to extinct ourselves in the fumes. >> >> med vennlig hilsen >> > > Guys who work with hydrogen report that it is amazingly permeable > through their fixtures and systems. Quite a difficult problem, actually. > Maybe not unsolvable but daunting at any rate. > data on that: http://www.ipst.gatech.edu/faculty/r...ngassafety.pdf excerpts: "Because of its small molecular size, hydrogen can easily pass through porous materials and is capable of being absorbed by some containment materials, which can result in loss of ductility or embrittlement. At elevated temperatures, this process is accelerated. Because of the possibility of hydrogen embrittlement of some materials, piping and component materials that are not subject to this form of degradation should be selected. Recommended materials include 300-series stainless steels, copper, and brass." "Because of the extremely low energy required to ignite flammable mixtures of hydrogen gas, you must exercise caution when using hydrogen around electrical equipment." "Never crack a hydrogen cylinder valve to remove dust or dirt from fittings prior to attaching a regulator. While this practice may be acceptable for other gases, with hydrogen there is a risk of self-ignition." "Because of its small molecular size, hydrogen can leak from apertures through which other gases cannot pass. Ventilation with large quantities of air is vital to dilute small leaks of hydrogen to below the lower flammable limit of 4% in air." etc etc etc -- Andrew Muzi <www.yellowjersey.org/> Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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"AMuzi" > wrote in message
... > hls wrote: >> >> > wrote in message >> ... >>> I saw that at http://www.rense.com >>> There is a Video too. >>> cuhulin >> >> Interesting numbers. If we could actually produce hydrogen quickly >> and easily, we could forget fossil fuels and batteries. >> >> Dan Nocera, by the way, makes rather limiting statements on >> energy density increases of batteries. > > Hydrogen is quick and easy with electrolysis using coal powered > electricity. Cost, storage and transport are the sticky wickets. Why coal electricity? Every kitchen in Merka could be producing hydrogen with rooftop solar cells -- or a Edmund's Scientific kids solar cell. But indeed, compressing it, etc are the biggies. Would be inneresting to calc the energy cost of compressing X BTUs of H2 in a high-pressure cylinder. -- EA > > -- > Andrew Muzi > <www.yellowjersey.org/> > Open every day since 1 April, 1971 |
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