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C.H. wrote: > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 07:05:00 -0700, N8N wrote: > > > > > > > C.H. wrote: > >> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:55:06 -0400, Nate Nagel wrote: > >> > >> > C.H. wrote: > >> > >> >> GM has their share of transportation appliances, like most other > >> >> manufacturers. Toyota almost exclusively makes transportation > >> >> appliances. At GM you have the the choice. Boring or interesting. I > >> >> rather prefer to have the choice. > >> >> > >> > For each of the "good" GM vehicles which you mention - which I don't > >> > think are all that great - they've built several Luminas. > >> > >> And for every Supra Toyota has built literally hundreds of boring and > >> staid Corollas and Avalons. And the Supra is dead anyway, so Toyota only > >> builds ultra boring sedans now. > > > > My point was that a Corolla, Avalon, Jetta, etc. is a vastly better car > > than a Lumina, Malibu (well, I'm reserving judgement on that - I haven't > > had any experience with the new one) Cavalier, etc and is more engaging to > > drive as well. > > The Lumina has been out of production for years. The new Malibu seems ok > and in the price range of a new Cavalier you won't find much even from > Japan, at least no 4-seat sedans. > Hyundai? Not Japanese but less expensive and more appealing. > The Jetta on the other hand has major reliability problems and I > personally despise it, YMMV. Balls. It would be my pick of the group. Probably will outlast any two of the other cars mentioned. > And I have never seen a car more uninspired > and boring than a Toyota Corolla. > At least it's competent, handles well, and is available with a decent manual transmission. Probably more reliable than anything GM makes as well. > >> Because bread and butter sedans are not even marginally interesting in > >> most brands. > > > > I disagree, most of the competition at least tries to be somewhat more > > interesting than a typical GM product. > > If they really are trying they are failing miserably at it. > Denial - it's not just a river in Egypt anymore. There's a reason people don't buy GM products - and it's not "bias" or "hatred" much as you'd wish to call it that. nate |
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