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****ed - Need Advice - Engine Misfire on '03 Honda Accord
I admittedly know next to nothing about cars. Honda emails me I need
the 45K service. I made an appointment & took it into my local Honda dealer for the service. When I made the appointment I said, "My check engine light is on also. Can you check that?" Yes, not a problem. When I came in on the day of my appointment I said again that I need the 45K service & my check engine light is on. I asked if it was on because it needed this service. The tech. said no. She said it usually comes on because of a problem with the emissions system. An hour goes by & the tech. comes to me in the waiting area and says that the Check Engine light is on because the engine is misfiring. She said that they needed to flush the pistons? Perhaps I didn't hear her correctly, but I swear that is what I heard her say. She says it will be about $100. OH & they reccomend that I have the power steering fluid replaced. Perhaps because of my ignorance I am remembering what she said incorrectly. One thing that I clearly remember was that there were two extra services they were performing and that each service was about $100 & that one of those services was supposed to take care of the engine misfire problem. Great. $500+ on my car. Just what I was looking forward to. We just spent $500 for a brake job that I'm almost positive could have been avoided. That's a vent for another thread. So I have spent $1000 on this hunk of junk this summer while still making monthly payments. I understand Hondas are great cars and whatnot, but you can't prove it to me right now. It might drive nicely and be a nice car, but I've never spent this much money on a car while still making payments. Anyway, the VERY next day I start the car up. My 2nd trip of the day & the Check Engine light is on again!!! Talk about ****ed off!! I am livid. I called the dealership and the person is at lunch that I need to talk to. I leave a message. The person calls me back about an hour later & I didn't hear the phone ring. 45 mins after that I call back and make an appointment to bring my car in the next day. So I bring it in for service and the people are telling me that the service that was performed would most likely not take care of a engine misfire problem, but that it might. What the **** is that all about? My receipt says, "Air Intake Service (Throttle Plate) BG2902 BG2902 Air Intake Service (Throttle Plate) BG2902 57 CPK 1 2902 Plenum Service Kit Total price for this is $99.86. They said that the check engine light could be on for any number of reasons and that a misfire code could be any different number of things, but that service would most likely not take care of it. WTF??? I'm so ****ed. I have just moved from MA to NC. I purchased my car in MA and the dealership I have dealt with up there has always been very nice & pleasant and knowledgable. I am so mad that I was told the service that was performed would take care of my problem & it didn't. To go back there and for them to tell me that service most likely would not fix the problem is infuriating. I want to know why the hell the service was done & charged to me if it wasn't going to take care of the problem. So after an hour at the dealership today they said they need more time to run further tests to figure out what's wrong. I asked if they had a shuttle car that could take us home. NO. I asked if they had a loaner car I could take. No again. Oh I'm so ****ed off. We took my car home and got my husband's car & returned to the dealership to drop my car back off. I don't know what to do. I feel like I'm dealing with incompetents and getting ****ed in the process. Is this normal? Is my frustration and feelings uncalled for? Thanks for reading. I would appreciate any input you might have. |
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****ed - Need Advice - Engine Misfire on '03 Honda Accord
KellyCrash wrote:
> I admittedly know next to nothing about cars. Honda emails me I need > the 45K service. I made an appointment & took it into my local Honda > dealer for the service. When I made the appointment I said, "My check > engine light is on also. Can you check that?" Yes, not a problem. > > When I came in on the day of my appointment I said again that I need > the 45K service & my check engine light is on. I asked if it was on > because it needed this service. The tech. said no. She said it > usually comes on because of a problem with the emissions system. > > An hour goes by & the tech. comes to me in the waiting area and says > that the Check Engine light is on because the engine is misfiring. She > said that they needed to flush the pistons? Perhaps I didn't hear her > correctly, but I swear that is what I heard her say. She says it will > be about $100. OH & they reccomend that I have the power steering > fluid replaced. Perhaps because of my ignorance I am remembering what > she said incorrectly. One thing that I clearly remember was that there > were two extra services they were performing and that each service was > about $100 & that one of those services was supposed to take care of > the engine misfire problem. Great. $500+ on my car. Just what I was > looking forward to. We just spent $500 for a brake job that I'm almost > positive could have been avoided. That's a vent for another thread. > > So I have spent $1000 on this hunk of junk this summer while still > making monthly payments. I understand Hondas are great cars and > whatnot, but you can't prove it to me right now. It might drive nicely > and be a nice car, but I've never spent this much money on a car while > still making payments. > > Anyway, the VERY next day I start the car up. My 2nd trip of the day & > the Check Engine light is on again!!! Talk about ****ed off!! I am > livid. I called the dealership and the person is at lunch that I need > to talk to. I leave a message. The person calls me back about an hour > later & I didn't hear the phone ring. 45 mins after that I call back > and make an appointment to bring my car in the next day. > > So I bring it in for service and the people are telling me that the > service that was performed would most likely not take care of a engine > misfire problem, but that it might. What the **** is that all about? > My receipt says, "Air Intake Service (Throttle Plate) BG2902 BG2902 Air > Intake Service (Throttle Plate) BG2902 57 CPK 1 2902 Plenum Service > Kit Total price for this is $99.86. They said that the check engine > light could be on for any number of reasons and that a misfire code > could be any different number of things, but that service would most > likely not take care of it. WTF??? > > I'm so ****ed. I have just moved from MA to NC. I purchased my car in > MA and the dealership I have dealt with up there has always been very > nice & pleasant and knowledgable. I am so mad that I was told the > service that was performed would take care of my problem & it didn't. > To go back there and for them to tell me that service most likely would > not fix the problem is infuriating. I want to know why the hell the > service was done & charged to me if it wasn't going to take care of the > problem. > > So after an hour at the dealership today they said they need more time > to run further tests to figure out what's wrong. > > I asked if they had a shuttle car that could take us home. NO. I > asked if they had a loaner car I could take. No again. > > Oh I'm so ****ed off. We took my car home and got my husband's car & > returned to the dealership to drop my car back off. > > I don't know what to do. I feel like I'm dealing with incompetents and > getting ****ed in the process. > > Is this normal? Is my frustration and feelings uncalled for? > > Thanks for reading. I would appreciate any input you might have. > ok, you are getting hosed, but getting ****ed won't work as a remedy strategy. call honda usa's national customer service line, and calmly explain the problems. write them out before hand if it'll help you be able to do it more effectively. here's the deal on the car: 1. the check engine light will give a code the dealer can read off the engine computer. that should give them an exact diagnostic on the problem. they should tell you the code - it'll be something like "p0145". look that up in the odbcII code list on tegger.com to see what it means. 2. a "flush" service is likely injector cleaner. you can do that yourself for $5 or less. 3. $500 for a brake job at only 45k miles is a little steep. it's technically possible it needed the service, but statistically unlikely. discuss that with honda usa's customer service rep. have your invoices handy. 4. there is no power steering fluid service interval specified by honda - it's usually good for the life of the car. don't buy that one. 5. the plenum service is throttle body cleaner. again, it's possible at your mileage, but unlikely. you could do that yourself, depending on how handy you are. 6. your car is almost certainly still under warranty!!! bottom line, call honda and calmly explain what happened, why you think it unreasonable, and /ask/ what can be done about it. honey works much better than vinegar. if you do this right, honda will call the dealer for you and tell them to sort you out. again, honey works better than vinegar. don't call when you're angry!!! good luck. get back to us with any questions. and once you've sorted this out, find yourself a different dealer or a good independent mechanic to deal with this stuff from now on. your wallet is ultimately your best weapon. |
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****ed - Need Advice - Engine Misfire on '03 Honda Accord
"KellyCrash" > wrote in
oups.com: > I admittedly know next to nothing about cars. <snip> That much is clear. Which is no embarrassment, of course. Call the service advisor (not "tech") and ask what the error code was in both incidents. If she refuses to tell, insist that is your right to know since you paid for the services. Those alphanumeric codes are critical to ANY analysis. And please keep your descriptions much shorter. My eyes glazed over reading your magnum opus, and I never finished it. -- TeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ |
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****ed - Need Advice - Engine Misfire on '03 Honda Accord
It sounds like you are being screwed around by a dealer who is simply
padding the bill with extra services that Honda doesn't call for while at the same time failing to properly diagnose whatever is actually setting the check engine light. Run, don't walk, to someone who knows what they are doing and operates an honest shop. John |
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****ed - Need Advice - Engine Misfire on '03 Honda Accord
John Horner wrote: > It sounds like you are being screwed around by a dealer who is simply > padding the bill with extra services that Honda doesn't call for while > at the same time failing to properly diagnose whatever is actually > setting the check engine light. > > Run, don't walk, to someone who knows what they are doing and operates > an honest shop. > > John Can you tell us what city or area of the country where this dealer is located - this guy is a crook - people like him can truly be called stealers. Also let us know what Honda USA has to say about this crook. |
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****ed - Need Advice - Engine Misfire on '03 Honda Accord
Autopark Honda in Cary, NC
butch burton wrote: > John Horner wrote: > > It sounds like you are being screwed around by a dealer who is simply > > padding the bill with extra services that Honda doesn't call for while > > at the same time failing to properly diagnose whatever is actually > > setting the check engine light. > > > > Run, don't walk, to someone who knows what they are doing and operates > > an honest shop. > > > > John > > Can you tell us what city or area of the country where this dealer is > located - this guy is a crook - people like him can truly be called > stealers. Also let us know what Honda USA has to say about this crook. |
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****ed - Need Advice - Engine Misfire on '03 Honda Accord
I want to call the 800 # as suggested, but my car is still at the
dealership. They're supposedly doing tests to figure out why the Engine light is coming on. I'm waiting for them to call me back & let me know something. Should I wait or should I call now? The service manager said he would refund us the cost of the Air Intake Service & the Power Steering Fluid exchange. I am going to hold him to it. When they call me to tell me what's going on with my car & how much it's going to cost I will research it before I say yes or no. In my original message when I said service technician I should have said service advisor. I just looked at my invoice again and saw I had the person's title wrong. |
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****ed - Need Advice - Engine Misfire on '03 Honda Accord
I forgot to mention something that I suppose was pretty important. The
service manager offered to credit the cost of the two extra services they performed back to our credit card. We agreed on the Air Intake Service because we were specifically told that would take care of the Misfire, but said if the Power Steering fluid needed to be flushed & we agreed we were fine with it. Now that I'm hearing what you are saying that Power Steering fluid is typcially good for the life of the car then I am going to insist that be credited back as well. I did call the 800#. They assigned me a case # & said someone would look into it & contact the dealer in 2 days. I do not think anything has been credited back yet. I assume they will apply the $$ to the new bill whenever they figure out what's wrong with my car. |
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****ed - Need Advice - Engine Misfire on '03 Honda Accord
That was some interesting reading and you have already received some good
advice. I'm afraid many service advisors try to act like they are master technicians, when in fact their main job, in my opinion, is to bring in the $$$$. You're aware you're still under Honda's emission warranty I hope? I would read up on the coverage, some items 5 years - 50,000 miles. Some items are longer I suspect. Changing the power steering fluid is not needed at your low milage, but your auto transmission and coolant should have already been changed. You must use only genuine Honda power steering fluid, same goes for auto transmission fluid. Many people on this Forum say to only use Honda coolant as well. Good luck |
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****ed - Need Advice - Engine Misfire on '03 Honda Accord
"KellyCrash" > wrote
> I do not think anything has been credited back yet. A credit to one's credit card account typically will take a few days following the merchant's completion of his/her end of the paperwork, etc. Your posts are going to help others. Hang in there. |
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