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No start 1990 CRX HF
OK guys, need some quick advice. Went out to get lunch and nothing
happens when I turn the key. No radio, no click, no nothing. Happened a few weeks ago, then stated fin the next day, and ever since. I figure it's the ignition switch, or loose harness to the switch. Any chance the main relay could also cause this? Do they ever fail intermittently? Anything else? Quick tip to get it started so I can get home tonight? -- - - Rex Burkheimer Fort Worth TX |
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Rex B wrote:
> OK guys, need some quick advice. Went out to get lunch and nothing > happens when I turn the key. No radio, no click, no nothing. Happened a > few weeks ago, then stated fin the next day, and ever since. > > I figure it's the ignition switch, or loose harness to the switch. > > Any chance the main relay could also cause this? > Do they ever fail intermittently? > > Anything else? > > Quick tip to get it started so I can get home tonight? Well, I went online to order the switch and relay. Ignition switch is $130 Relay has 3 choices, depending on which number is stamped on it. -- - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX |
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"Rex B" > wrote in message
... > Rex B wrote: >> OK guys, need some quick advice. Went out to get lunch and nothing >> happens when I turn the key. No radio, no click, no nothing. Happened a >> few weeks ago, then stated fin the next day, and ever since. >> >> I figure it's the ignition switch, or loose harness to the switch. >> >> Any chance the main relay could also cause this? >> Do they ever fail intermittently? >> >> Anything else? >> >> Quick tip to get it started so I can get home tonight? > > Well, I went online to order the switch and relay. > Ignition switch is $130 > Relay has 3 choices, depending on which number is stamped on it. > > -- > - - > Rex Burkheimer > WM Automotive > Fort Worth TX The main relay is just a fancy fuel pump relay AFAIK. Shouldn't cause the "no activity" condition. That doesn't leave much - the ignition switch or the battery. If it is the ignition switch the headlights will come on normally, if the battery is bad the headlights won't (obviously). Intermittent batteries are becoming downright common. About half the bad batteries I've had in recent years have failed that way. Apparently the connections inside the battery at one post or the other crack and don't quite make contact. If you can get current to start flowing, the contacts will weld slightly, enough to magically restore the battery! If the ignition switch is being troublesome, it is possible to open it and work the contacts over with the existing grease inside the switch. It's pretty spooky doing that away from home, though. You may be better off cycling the switch on and off until it hopefully works. If it is the battery, turn the headlights on (to provide a load and to guage your progress). Hit one of the terminals sharply with a small hammer if one is available, something improvised if not. Don't risk breaking the case, just a medium whack. Check the lights and repeat with the other terminal if necessary. You may have to be persistent, and if you have a voltmeter or test light available you will probably want to verify the voltage is missing at the posts before getting carried away. If that gets it going, replace the battery. Mike |
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On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:45:31 -0600, Rex B > wrote:
>OK guys, need some quick advice. Went out to get lunch and nothing >happens when I turn the key. No radio, no click, no nothing. Happened a >few weeks ago, then stated fin the next day, and ever since. > >I figure it's the ignition switch, or loose harness to the switch. > >Any chance the main relay could also cause this? >Do they ever fail intermittently? > >Anything else? > >Quick tip to get it started so I can get home tonight? Simple trick that might work- stick the tip of a pocket knife or small plain screwdriver between the battery posts and their clamps and pry and twist a little. Or if you have wrenches handy, slacken the clamps and rotate them a bit on the posts and try again. Before deciding it's the ignition switch or main relay, check all battery cable connections at battery, starter and neg cable grounding point. Check under the battery cable connections at the clamps for corroded copper, sometimes there's only a few strands left among and a lot of green crud. See also: http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/faq.html#stalling |
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Rex B wrote:
> Rex B wrote: > >> OK guys, need some quick advice. Went out to get lunch and nothing >> happens when I turn the key. No radio, no click, no nothing. Happened >> a few weeks ago, then stated fin the next day, and ever since. >> >> I figure it's the ignition switch, or loose harness to the switch. >> >> Any chance the main relay could also cause this? >> Do they ever fail intermittently? >> >> Anything else? >> >> Quick tip to get it started so I can get home tonight? > > > Well, I went online to order the switch and relay. > Ignition switch is $130 > Relay has 3 choices, depending on which number is stamped on it. > check the battery & the battery terminals first. unlikely to be main relay as you're typically still be able to crank the engine - it just won't start. if you do buy a new main relay, [not a bad idea to have a spare given that they /do/ fail] it's the one labeled "RZ-0063". |
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John Ings wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 13:45:31 -0600, Rex B > wrote: > > >>OK guys, need some quick advice. Went out to get lunch and nothing >>happens when I turn the key. No radio, no click, no nothing. Happened a >>few weeks ago, then stated fin the next day, and ever since. >> >>I figure it's the ignition switch, or loose harness to the switch. >> >>Any chance the main relay could also cause this? >>Do they ever fail intermittently? >> >>Anything else? >> >>Quick tip to get it started so I can get home tonight? > > > Simple trick that might work- stick the tip of a pocket knife or small > plain screwdriver between the battery posts and their clamps and pry > and twist a little. Or if you have wrenches handy, slacken the clamps > and rotate them a bit on the posts and try again. > > Before deciding it's the ignition switch or main relay, check all > battery cable connections at battery, starter and neg cable grounding > point. Check under the battery cable connections at the clamps for > corroded copper, sometimes there's only a few strands left among and a > lot of green crud. See also: > http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/faq.html#stalling > Well, you guys were on the right track. It was a dead battery, left the lights on when I got to work. This is the only car I own that doesn't have a "Lights on" warning buzzer, and it bites me every now and then. The last time I had a no-start condition, it wasn't the battery, and I never figured out what it was, except it started fine next day. I just assumed (there's that word) that that problem had returned. Thanks for the reality check -- - - Rex Burkheimer WM Automotive Fort Worth TX |
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On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 09:06:26 -0600, Rex B > wrote:
>Well, you guys were on the right track. It was a dead battery, left the >lights on when I got to work. This is the only car I own that doesn't >have a "Lights on" warning buzzer, and it bites me every now and then. There's an east cure for that. Under the dash near the steering column is that annoying seatbelt buzzer. At least that's where it was on my CRX. It's not hard to rewire this between the park light bus and the ignition bus, with a small diode in the circuit. If the ignition is turned off there are enough loads on the ignition bus to make it look like a ground to the buzzer, and if the park lamps are still on, it will buzz at you. The diode stops the the ignition voltage from coming back the other way when the park lights are off. |
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"Rex B" > wrote
> >>OK guys, need some quick advice. Went out to get lunch and nothing > >>happens when I turn the key. No radio, no click, no nothing. Happened a > >>few weeks ago, then stated fin the next day, and ever since. > >>Quick tip to get it started so I can get home tonight? Push start? > Well, you guys were on the right track. It was a dead battery, left the > lights on when I got to work. This is the only car I own that doesn't > have a "Lights on" warning buzzer, and it bites me every now and then. The headlight switched would've been a nice clue. :-) > The last time I had a no-start condition, it wasn't the battery, and > I never figured out what it was, except it started fine next day. I just > assumed (there's that word) that that problem had returned. > Thanks for the reality check Probably the clutch switch. |
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I added a small radio shack $6 sonalert between thedash illuminatin
and the oil peasure switch. Took about 30 minutes and you have to pull the cowling off the gauges. I added a 1n4002 diode. Somewhere I have the exact wires that I intercepted. I have misplaced a folder with all my Honda notes, including the info I promised Tigar. Terry |
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