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THE TUCKER
" krp" > wrote in message ... > Has anyone ever driven a Tucker or see one? > > >Yes.. I saw one on a dealer showroom in Denver, CO I was told that if the engine needed any repairs it was so easy to remove that the dealer would slip another loaner in while yours was being repaired. If I recall it was a 6 cylinder pancake type of engine. WW |
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THE TUCKER
"Roger Blake" > wrote in message . org... > On 2008-11-24, krp > wrote: >> I don't believe that the Jav opr AMX used trunions. It was not >> uncommon >> to see early ramblers squatting down on tirels laying flat on the road. > > They did until the 1970 model year, when AMC changed to twin ball-joint > suspension. The Javelin and AMX were derived from the Rambler American > chassis and shared its suspension. (All AMC cars had upper trunnions > in the front end until the 1970 model year. Also vacuum wipers through > 1971!) Sorry I had both a 68 AMX and a 70 Javeline NEITHER had vacuum wipers. >> I had a friend who bought a Golden Hawk with the R-5 package. It was >> "QUICK" to say the least. > I have no doubt! Studebaker was a performance leader with their > supercharged engines. The R-5 was supercharged and the larger displacement engine. In its day nothing much stayed on the road with it. >> The Rebel with the 390 was a dream. Still it handled well for its day > Yes, that came a bit later on, in 1967 the top AMC engine was the 343. > As I recall the 390 first saw the light of day in the 1968 AMX. Yep, buit was followed months later in the Rebel and Javelin. |
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THE TUCKER
"WW" > wrote in message ... >> Has anyone ever driven a Tucker or see one? >> >> >>Yes.. I saw one on a dealer showroom in Denver, CO > I was told that if the engine needed any repairs it was so easy to remove > that the dealer > would slip another loaner in while yours was being repaired. If I recall > it was a 6 cylinder > pancake type of engine. WW Yep was a great car for its day. |
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THE TUCKER
"Roger Blake" > wrote in message ... >> Sorry I had both a 68 AMX and a 70 Javeline NEITHER had vacuum wipers. > > Electric wipers were an option, and were not made standard until the > 1972 model year. At car shows I have seen many AMXes and Javelins with > vacuum wipers. AMC also went with the Chrysler Torque-Flite automatic > transmission in 1972. They previously used the Borg-Warner automatic. I ordered both my cars. Electric wipers were STANDARD on both the AMX and Jav. >> Yep, buit was followed months later in the Rebel and Javelin. > Also the Ambassador, ostensibly as part of a trailer-towing package. > And don't forget the SC/Rambler! (Essentially a Rambler American with > a 390 and 4-speed!) The HURST S/CRambler or Scrambler as some called it. |
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THE TUCKER
"Roger Blake" > wrote in message . org... >> I ordered both my cars. Electric wipers were STANDARD on both the AMX >> and Jav. > > Pretty sure that was not the case until 1972. Here is a picture of > a 1970 AMX engine bay (sans engine), note the wiper motor: I had a 68 AMX and a 70 Javelin. BOTH came with electric wipers STANDARD. > http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2998...76313828IopbLb I see the vacuum wiper motor. First one I ever saw with vacuum wipers. > I know I have examples of AMXes and Javelins equipped with vacuum > wipers in my own photo collection. >> The HURST S/CRambler or Scrambler as some called it. > Yes, no mistaking one of those with the wild red, white, and blue paint > job. Some were delivered in one color. |
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THE TUCKER
"Roger Blake" > wrote in message ... >> I see the vacuum wiper motor. First one I ever saw with vacuum wipers. > Don't know what to tell, you, as mentioned I've seen quite a few that way. I was on the factory stunt driving team and raced the cars. I never saw vacuum wipers on any. That doesn't mean tghere weren't any, but from what I saw they'd have been rare. RFE: HURST SC/RAMBLER >> Some were delivered in one color. > Yes, ditto for the Rebel Machine, available in eye-catching red, white, > and blue, or plain-jane solid colors. They built lots of SLEEPER cars. Poor unsuspecting owners of Vettes or Mustangs would pull up top a light and see a plain Jane ugly green Rambler and race just to show off and get their doors blown off and wonder what the hell hit them. |
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THE TUCKER
"Roger Blake" > wrote in message ... >> I was on the factory stunt driving team and raced the cars. I never >> saw >> vacuum wipers on any. That doesn't mean tghere weren't any, but from what >> I >> saw they'd have been rare. > > You've piqued my curiosity, so I rooted around a bit. I dug out a > 1971 AMC factory service manual, which covers all AMC models for > that year. The section on wipers has a photo illustrating removal > of the vacuum wiper motor from a Javelin. Accompanying text details > removal of the vacuum hose and the control cable. I think I also > have a '71 AMC owner's manual around which covers all models, it > may have more info on the wiper controls. > > A little more noodling around came up with this: > > http://www.amx-perience.com/xperienceamx96100.htm > > Note that on the above site a point is made that the white AMX > towards the middle of the page is equipped with electric wipers, > not something one ordinarily would mention even in passing on most > cars of that vintage. > I also ran across a web page with decoding info for 1968-1970 Javelin > and AMX build sheets, with an "electric wiper only" option mentioned for > the optional Visibility Group: > http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/...00/jan2000.htm > However I have not found any production figures on how many were actually > built with vacuum versus electric wipers. I think the visibilty group must have been fairly standard then. I got around tghe AMX circles pretty much 68-70. Ones with vacuum wipers may have existed, I never saw one. >> They built lots of SLEEPER cars. Poor unsuspecting owners of Vettes >> or >> Mustangs would pull up top a light and see a plain Jane ugly green >> Rambler >> and race just to show off and get their doors blown off and wonder what >> the >> hell hit them. > Even the '65 Rambler Classic I drove years ago, with its 327 4bbl V8 > and twin-stick manual trans, surprised a lot of people back in the day. > It just looked like a typical "old man car" but would take off like > a scalded ape. > Getting back to Tucker, while looking through some magazines I found > the July 4, 1988 issue of "AutoWeek," which features the car and movie > on the cover. (Jeff Bridges is shown posing with a red Tucker.) > Inside is a fair amount of coverage, including a pretty harrowing > ride in one of the Tuckers belonging to director Francis Coppala. > The article also talked about the difficulty of getting enough Tuckers > together for the film. They finally managed to get 22 cars, out > of which about two-thirds did not run, 90% had broken suspensions, > and only two had properly-working gearshifts. Amazing the Tucker club would lead you to believe that is not the case. I haven't see 20 Tuckers so what do I know? |
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THE TUCKER
"Roger Blake" > wrote in message ... >> I think the visibilty group must have been fairly standard then. I >> got >> around tghe AMX circles pretty much 68-70. Ones with vacuum wipers may >> have >> existed, I never saw one. > > I am sure not many people would have wanted to order their AMX with > vacuum wipers, but seeing as how the other manufacturers had given > up on that "feature" years before it probably caught some folks by > surprise. Never saw the option. >> Amazing the Tucker club would lead you to believe that is not the >> case. >> I haven't seen 20 Tuckers so what do I know? > The article mentioned that there probably had not been 20 Tuckers > together in one place since 1948. The ride in Coppola's Tucker was > a tale of handling instability ("Hey, this thing is FISHtailing!"), > grinding gears, and stalling in the middle of a state highway. > In the back of this issue of AutoWeek there is an article by a fellow > named Roger Barlow who purchased a used Tucker in 1953 and drove it for > a while: > "...I owned a Tucker. Not for long, but I did own it and drive it. > Having driven VWs, the 170H Mercedes, early Porsches, and the 4CV > Renault, its handling was no surprise -- with so much weight so > far aft, in such a long wheelbase, oversteer was only to be > expected. And it was there to a quite disconcerting degree despite > the helpfully quick steering ratio... > The odd action of the suspension contributed further to my unease > with the car. I did not enjoy driving 'my' Tucker! ... The car was > an interesting concept -- but definitely not ready for prime-time, > as they might say today on Vine Street. I don't think the Tucker would be highly regarded by today's standards. But then neither would my friend's 48 Chrysler New Yorker. Although my 51 Henry J was quite nimble. I once had a 55 Kaiser - that was - well - far from spectacular. > I phoned [the salesman] recently to see if he remembered driving > this car. 'Spooky,' was his summation, 'real spooky. And scary.'" Funny things about cars. Take any given brand or model and you'll get people on both sides. The AMX took a great deal of panning, but Craig Breedlove set loads of records with it on tracks, both oval and road. I used to take great pleasure in blowing the doors off Corvettes, Cameros, and Mustangs. I used to love to watch a guy in a 500KR Mustang pound his steering wheel when I left him in my dust. I hated to race Chevys. You never met a group of people with such whining rationalizations for losing races anywhere. Oh the litany of excuses. NEVER because the other car was faster. NEVER!!!! |
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