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  #41  
Old December 1st 04, 07:26 AM
Daniel J. Stern
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Harry K wrote:

> > The Australian Ford line contains numerous world-class vehicles,
> > including a full range of up-to-date RWD passenger cars and utes with
> > vastly better performance, economy, ergonomics, emissions and safety
> > than anything Ford sells in the rest of the world. Australia gets a
> > RWD Falcon with 4-litre inline Six (normally aspirated, turbo or
> > supercharged), thoroughly modern in all respects. North America gets
> > the Five Hundred, a warmed-over Taurus. There ain't no justice.


> Warmed over Taurus??


Warmed-over Taurus. Another piece of Ford garbage with the same ****ty
electrical system and same cardboard transaxle they've been foisting off
on the North American market for decades.

> I don't think it has any Taurus in it (again according to the salesman)


Aw, come on. Use your brain just a LITTLE BIT. If you were trying to sell
Fords, would you admit to their being any Taurus "engineering" in the car
you were trying to sell?
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  #42  
Old December 1st 04, 07:26 AM
Daniel J. Stern
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On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Harry K wrote:

> > The Australian Ford line contains numerous world-class vehicles,
> > including a full range of up-to-date RWD passenger cars and utes with
> > vastly better performance, economy, ergonomics, emissions and safety
> > than anything Ford sells in the rest of the world. Australia gets a
> > RWD Falcon with 4-litre inline Six (normally aspirated, turbo or
> > supercharged), thoroughly modern in all respects. North America gets
> > the Five Hundred, a warmed-over Taurus. There ain't no justice.


> Warmed over Taurus??


Warmed-over Taurus. Another piece of Ford garbage with the same ****ty
electrical system and same cardboard transaxle they've been foisting off
on the North American market for decades.

> I don't think it has any Taurus in it (again according to the salesman)


Aw, come on. Use your brain just a LITTLE BIT. If you were trying to sell
Fords, would you admit to their being any Taurus "engineering" in the car
you were trying to sell?
  #43  
Old December 1st 04, 07:31 AM
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Bill 2 wrote:

> Engine (3.0L Duratec) is the same as the upgrade engine from the Taurus
> lineup. Other than that, not much similar between the cars.


They're both Fords. They're both FWD/AWD. You think "built on a Volvo
platform" is a *good* thing? Go look at anybody's reliability ratings for
Volvos made in the last 9 years -- they're right down there in the toilet
with those for Ford's own products.
  #44  
Old December 1st 04, 07:31 AM
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Bill 2 wrote:

> Engine (3.0L Duratec) is the same as the upgrade engine from the Taurus
> lineup. Other than that, not much similar between the cars.


They're both Fords. They're both FWD/AWD. You think "built on a Volvo
platform" is a *good* thing? Go look at anybody's reliability ratings for
Volvos made in the last 9 years -- they're right down there in the toilet
with those for Ford's own products.
  #45  
Old December 1st 04, 07:39 AM
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Bill 2 wrote:

> > http://members.aol.com/peterwendt/usautogw.htm

>
> Wow, an Spirit was up to a European's standards.


The Chrysler Saratoga (as the car was known there) was equipped similarly
to the highest-spec North American Spirits in the suspension, steering,
brake, durability and luxury equipment departments, and much better in the
seatbelt, lighting, signalling and mirrors department. The majority of
North American AA-bodies were low-spec cars with "adequate" brakes,
"adequate" suspension, power nothing, etc.
  #46  
Old December 1st 04, 07:39 AM
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On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Bill 2 wrote:

> > http://members.aol.com/peterwendt/usautogw.htm

>
> Wow, an Spirit was up to a European's standards.


The Chrysler Saratoga (as the car was known there) was equipped similarly
to the highest-spec North American Spirits in the suspension, steering,
brake, durability and luxury equipment departments, and much better in the
seatbelt, lighting, signalling and mirrors department. The majority of
North American AA-bodies were low-spec cars with "adequate" brakes,
"adequate" suspension, power nothing, etc.
  #47  
Old December 1st 04, 01:55 PM
Dori A Schmetterling
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As you are such a clever-clogs, why don't you explain why the cited website
is such a paean to 'American' cars, other than the headline and general
criticsm of German cars? The site has extensive descriptions of problems
with his American cars.

DAS
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"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
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>> Don't quite get it.

>
> Surprise, surprise, surprise...Dori doesn't get it.
>
> Go back to sleep, dearie. Sorry to wake you.



  #48  
Old December 1st 04, 01:55 PM
Dori A Schmetterling
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As you are such a clever-clogs, why don't you explain why the cited website
is such a paean to 'American' cars, other than the headline and general
criticsm of German cars? The site has extensive descriptions of problems
with his American cars.

DAS
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"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
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> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
>
>> Don't quite get it.

>
> Surprise, surprise, surprise...Dori doesn't get it.
>
> Go back to sleep, dearie. Sorry to wake you.



  #49  
Old December 1st 04, 02:01 PM
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The Merc M-Class has come in for particular stick.

While most of you don't have the pleasure of reading our very own Jeremy
Clarkson's words of wisdom on cars every Sunday (in the UK Sunday Times), I
know that many of you have heard of him through other ways, so you may like
to hear about his comments on the results of a recent BBC Top Gear customer
satisfaction survey.
Top Gear is a top motoring programme and has a classy magazine associated
with it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/survey/

Of 142 cars surveyed in the UK, the M-Class was BOTTOM for reliability.

Clarkson gives two reasons ..."appalling dealer network but also because
it's made in Alabama, where the locals are good at picking cotton, singing
mournful songs and listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd but not so good at attaching
complicated pieces of machinery to one another."

You can read the whole article -- which is mainly about the new Peugeot
407 -- here (see page 2):
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...376145,00.html

(Just for comparison, only one west European brand was in the top ten, Jag
at No. 2).

What do you think about the car workers of Alabama...?...

DAS
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"A.Muewi" > wrote in message
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> Hi everybody,
> I am probably one of the few Germans who, after driving several German
> made cars (Fords, Audi, Smart) and one Honda, bought 3 American cars. I
> live in a neighborhood where everybody else works at the local Mercedes
> plant and drives Mercedes. Not me. I don't like car trouble.

[...]


  #50  
Old December 1st 04, 02:01 PM
Dori A Schmetterling
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The Merc M-Class has come in for particular stick.

While most of you don't have the pleasure of reading our very own Jeremy
Clarkson's words of wisdom on cars every Sunday (in the UK Sunday Times), I
know that many of you have heard of him through other ways, so you may like
to hear about his comments on the results of a recent BBC Top Gear customer
satisfaction survey.
Top Gear is a top motoring programme and has a classy magazine associated
with it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/survey/

Of 142 cars surveyed in the UK, the M-Class was BOTTOM for reliability.

Clarkson gives two reasons ..."appalling dealer network but also because
it's made in Alabama, where the locals are good at picking cotton, singing
mournful songs and listening to Lynyrd Skynyrd but not so good at attaching
complicated pieces of machinery to one another."

You can read the whole article -- which is mainly about the new Peugeot
407 -- here (see page 2):
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/art...376145,00.html

(Just for comparison, only one west European brand was in the top ten, Jag
at No. 2).

What do you think about the car workers of Alabama...?...

DAS
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For direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling
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"A.Muewi" > wrote in message
...
> Hi everybody,
> I am probably one of the few Germans who, after driving several German
> made cars (Fords, Audi, Smart) and one Honda, bought 3 American cars. I
> live in a neighborhood where everybody else works at the local Mercedes
> plant and drives Mercedes. Not me. I don't like car trouble.

[...]


 




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