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Interesting take on Ethanol and flex fuels
Orval Fairbairn turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote:
>> I looked up the story of the ev1 you refered to, very interesting. >> I've got who killed the electric car ? on order, looking forward to >> seeing it. I think some important lessons may be learned from that >> >> thank you > > The answer to "Who Killed the Electric Car?" is "Physics and Chemistry." > > No battery ever built can store enough energy (at a reasonable weight) > to compete with hydrocarbon-fueled engines. > What about when you use the dilithium crystals in the engine? Huh? -- www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org |
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Interesting take on Ethanol and flex fuels
On Aug 24, 1:06*pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote: > In article > >, > > > > > > wrote: > > On Aug 23, 1:53*pm, Orval Fairbairn > > > wrote: > > > In article > > > >, > > > > wrote: > > > > On Aug 17, 11:51*am, "marx404" > wrote: > > > > > > Hydrogen cars. As far as the Honda Clarity, refer to the Saturn EV1, > > > > > mark my > > > > > words, history will repeat itself once the leases are up. (ref: Who > > > > > killed > > > > > the electric car?) > > > > > > How about Mr. Garrison's "IT" vehicle in the South Park episode? > > > > > Personally > > > > > I think it makes more sense than E85. > > > > > > -- > > > > > marx404 > > > > > I looked up the story of the ev1 you refered to, very interesting. > > > > I've got who killed the electric car ? on order, looking forward to > > > > seeing it. I think some important lessons may be learned from that > > > > > thank you > > > > The answer to "Who Killed the Electric Car?" is "Physics and Chemistry." > > > > No battery ever built can store enough energy (at a reasonable weight) > > > to compete with hydrocarbon-fueled engines. > > > > -- > > > Remove _'s *from email address to talk to me.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > how about in terms of emissions ? > > Unless your original source of electricity is nuclear, hydro, wind *or > solar, all you are doing is transferring the emissions to another > location. > > In any event, batteries are STILL a very inefficient means of storing > motive energy -- they are limited by the laws of physics and chemistry > -- subjects with which most environmentalists and politicians have, at > best, minimal knowledge. > > -- > Remove _'s *from email address to talk to me.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - I am aware of transference of emissions; I think even your coal fired generators are cleaner to produce the electricity to charge a battery than gas to go the same distance |
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Interesting take on Ethanol and flex fuels
"PerfectReign" > wrote in message ...
> Orval Fairbairn turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote: > > >>> I looked up the story of the ev1 you refered to, very interesting. >>> I've got who killed the electric car ? on order, looking forward to >>> seeing it. I think some important lessons may be learned from that >>> >>> thank you >> >> The answer to "Who Killed the Electric Car?" is "Physics and Chemistry." >> >> No battery ever built can store enough energy (at a reasonable weight) >> to compete with hydrocarbon-fueled engines. >> > > What about when you use the dilithium crystals in the engine? > > Huh? > > > -- > www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org > > powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org Don't dilithium crystals require a matter-anti-matter reactor? I think we have to wait for Ephram Cochrane to invent it. |
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Interesting take on Ethanol and flex fuels
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"Steve" m> wrote: > "PerfectReign" > wrote in message > ... > > Orval Fairbairn turned on the Etch-A-Sketch and wrote: > > > > > >>> I looked up the story of the ev1 you refered to, very interesting. > >>> I've got who killed the electric car ? on order, looking forward to > >>> seeing it. I think some important lessons may be learned from that > >>> > >>> thank you > >> > >> The answer to "Who Killed the Electric Car?" is "Physics and Chemistry." > >> > >> No battery ever built can store enough energy (at a reasonable weight) > >> to compete with hydrocarbon-fueled engines. > >> > > > > What about when you use the dilithium crystals in the engine? > > > > Huh? > > > > > > -- > > www.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org > > > > powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org > > Don't dilithium crystals require a matter-anti-matter reactor? I think we > have to wait for Ephram Cochrane to invent it. > I agree! Most of the "alternate energy" movement is pure hype, including alcohol and batteries. -- Remove _'s from email address to talk to me. |
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> it's bull**** lip flapping; hydrogen fuel makes the most sense, > universally available, easy to produce and a significant source of > energy; this flex fuels nonsense is just more footdragging by the > small minded herd mentallity pandemic in detroit. gm is in a fight to > survive and these imbecile execs waffel over flex fuels- it will be > justice when they are begging for change on the street corner in a few > years. morons ! Hey moron, do you know how much energy it takes to produce hydrogen fuel? How about the cost to build production facilities? You got a clue as to the distribution and refueling problems? Obviously not. -- Gyz If a man is speaking in the middle of the forest and there is no woman around to hear him, is he still wrong? |
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Interesting take on Ethanol and flex fuels
In article >,
Gyzmologist > wrote: > > > > it's bull**** lip flapping; hydrogen fuel makes the most sense, > > universally available, easy to produce and a significant source of > > energy; this flex fuels nonsense is just more footdragging by the > > small minded herd mentallity pandemic in detroit. gm is in a fight to > > survive and these imbecile execs waffel over flex fuels- it will be > > justice when they are begging for change on the street corner in a few > > years. morons ! > > Hey moron, do you know how much energy it takes to produce hydrogen > fuel? How about the cost to build production facilities? You got a clue > as to the distribution and refueling problems? Obviously not. Not only that, but pure hydrogen has a very low density, requires either very high pressures or extremenly low temperatures (around 30 K), has a combustible range in air from 3% to 97%, burns with a clear flame and is colorless and odorless. Most hydrogen comes from natural gas, not electrolysis. Hydrocarbons are a far more efficient and safer means of carrying fuel. The Fischer-Frosch process converts coal to usable hydrocarbons, if we cannot get them from petroleum. -- Remove _'s from email address to talk to me. |
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Interesting take on Ethanol and flex fuels
On Aug 25, 9:00*pm, Orval Fairbairn >
wrote: > In article >, > > *Gyzmologist > wrote: > > > > it's bull**** lip flapping; hydrogen fuel makes the most sense, > > > universally available, easy to produce and a significant source of > > > energy; this flex fuels nonsense is just more footdragging by the > > > small minded herd mentallity pandemic in detroit. gm is in a fight to > > > survive and these imbecile execs waffel over flex fuels- it will be > > > justice when they are begging for change on the street corner in a few > > > years. morons ! > > > Hey moron, do you know how much energy it takes to produce hydrogen > > fuel? How about the cost to build production facilities? You got a clue > > as to the distribution and refueling problems? Obviously not. > > Not only that, but pure hydrogen has a very low density, requires either > very high pressures or extremenly low temperatures (around 30 K), has a > combustible range in air from 3% to 97%, burns with a clear flame and is > colorless and odorless. Most hydrogen comes from natural gas, not > electrolysis. > > Hydrocarbons are a far more efficient and safer means of carrying fuel. > The Fischer-Frosch process converts coal to usable hydrocarbons, if we > cannot get them from petroleum. > > -- > Remove _'s *from email address to talk to me. it's still possible to develop solar and wind powered hydrogen farms; the investment in such facillities would be way way cheaper than your average refinery. eventually transportation will have to move away from using non-renewable resources, so the question becomes when are you going to start ? |
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