Flashpoint Racing Series begins tonight!

Remember that N3 didn't even have a dedicated server package when it was
released. I believe this release will be very good and shot a LOT of
potential. If they get the dedicated server package fixed (Admin commands
installed), everyone will move to NSR online. They have fixed the online
problems N2003 have suffered from since N4.

Bill Bollinger
www.gsxn.com


"Schooner" > wrote in message
news:64qQd.48642$gA4.44149@edtnps89...
> Thanks. Well if it is missing that much out of the box I'd wager that it
> is dead already to most of the sim world. Waiting on a patch to a buggy
> game that isn't even on the shelf isn't going to impress anyone. For a
> title they focused at a simmers they are missing a lot of simmer features
> IMHO.
>
> "Plowboy" > wrote in message
> news:LFnQd.62543$2p.25947@lakeread08...
>> Schooner,
>>
>> Joe's website forums (www.ollineracin.com/forums) might shed some light
>> onto what your asking. TO ME, In a nutshell EA decided to go gold with a
>> lot of missing parts for "online" usability, for one example, the
>> f2-space (that is in NRxx) to see intervals between your car and others.
>> plus ways to control dedicated servers remotely (no dedicated commands to
>> used by admins like we can papy dedicated servers as last I read) only a
>> voting system I guess? plus other things like outputing/exporting of
>> resuslts files, you know so post editing can detected I think, and some
>> other things...
>>
>> Sorry I can't recall all the specific ones, there was seemingly quite a
>> "list" from several different discussions... But EA has seemed to
>> convince many that they will get this stuff fixed in promised a patch.
>>
>> Me? Well I dont know, it is kinda like selling anything... once it is
>> money in your pocket, would you care? I can only hope in this case that
>> EA will, I mean they are going to want to sell me games stuff eventually
>> right?
>>
>> BUT if things keep going, & they end up being the only game
>> publisher/developer in town anymore, which some reports they are be very
>> 'Borg' like at EA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Schooner enlightened us with:
>>> I hope it is, we need something to revive NASCAR sim racing. Leagues
>>> are slowly drying up as is.
>>> I'm just curious about hat the OP said.
>>>
>>> "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
>>> m...
>>>> I wouldn't be saying that. Mr. Hawkins just had a FANTASTIC Q&A
>>>> session on www.crazygameworld.com (Teamspeak)
>>>>
>>>> NSR looks to be a kick ass release
>>>>
>>>> Bill Bollinger
>>>> www.gsxn.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Schooner" > wrote in message
>>>> news:MXaQd.47523$gA4.26663@edtnps89...
>>>>> Yes I agree. First stating that you expect the initial release to
>>>>> be too buggy to use and they stating you are waiting on the patch. May
>>>>> as well say you have no plans to buy or use it ever ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mitch_A" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> Schooner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "For season 1, we plan to run NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. For
>>>>>>> season 2,
>>>>>>> if EA comes out with the patch for NASCAR Sim Racing, we plan to
>>>>>>> switch at that time."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It hasn't been released yet and your waiting on a patch to fix
>>>>>>> it. So what is the big issue so far?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Planning" on a patch from EA is a slippery slope to be treading
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mitch
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Remove "nospam." to reply.
>>>>>> SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a
>>
>>
>
>

Hehe, yep, always amazing how the rose colored glasses work.

Or how about the kudos that went to Papy for releasing a patch for 03, to
fix the flaw that allowed unrealistic setups ? A basic flaw that you'd
think after the umptienth Nx release wouldn't be in the game anyway.
Or remember when ICR2 was released in such a mess, and the clamor about a
patch for that ?

Hehe, same old story; someone else does situation x, oh, the horror. Papy
does the exact same thing.......cool, man, what great guys.

LOL


"Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
m...
> Remember that N3 didn't even have a dedicated server package when it was
> released. I believe this release will be very good and shot a LOT of
> potential. If they get the dedicated server package fixed (Admin commands
> installed), everyone will move to NSR online. They have fixed the online
> problems N2003 have suffered from since N4.
>
> Bill Bollinger
> www.gsxn.com
>
>
> "Schooner" > wrote in message
> news:64qQd.48642$gA4.44149@edtnps89...
> > Thanks. Well if it is missing that much out of the box I'd wager that
it
> > is dead already to most of the sim world. Waiting on a patch to a buggy
> > game that isn't even on the shelf isn't going to impress anyone. For a
> > title they focused at a simmers they are missing a lot of simmer
features
> > IMHO.
> >
> > "Plowboy" > wrote in message
> > news:LFnQd.62543$2p.25947@lakeread08...
> >> Schooner,
> >>
> >> Joe's website forums (www.ollineracin.com/forums) might shed some light
> >> onto what your asking. TO ME, In a nutshell EA decided to go gold with
a
> >> lot of missing parts for "online" usability, for one example, the
> >> f2-space (that is in NRxx) to see intervals between your car and
others.
> >> plus ways to control dedicated servers remotely (no dedicated commands
to
> >> used by admins like we can papy dedicated servers as last I read) only
a
> >> voting system I guess? plus other things like outputing/exporting of
> >> resuslts files, you know so post editing can detected I think, and some
> >> other things...
> >>
> >> Sorry I can't recall all the specific ones, there was seemingly quite a
> >> "list" from several different discussions... But EA has seemed to
> >> convince many that they will get this stuff fixed in promised a patch.
> >>
> >> Me? Well I dont know, it is kinda like selling anything... once it is
> >> money in your pocket, would you care? I can only hope in this case
that
> >> EA will, I mean they are going to want to sell me games stuff
eventually
> >> right?
> >>
> >> BUT if things keep going, & they end up being the only game
> >> publisher/developer in town anymore, which some reports they are be
very
> >> 'Borg' like at EA.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Schooner enlightened us with:
> >>> I hope it is, we need something to revive NASCAR sim racing. Leagues
> >>> are slowly drying up as is.
> >>> I'm just curious about hat the OP said.
> >>>
> >>> "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
> >>> m...
> >>>> I wouldn't be saying that. Mr. Hawkins just had a FANTASTIC Q&A
> >>>> session on www.crazygameworld.com (Teamspeak)
> >>>>
> >>>> NSR looks to be a kick ass release
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill Bollinger
> >>>> www.gsxn.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "Schooner" > wrote in message
> >>>> news:MXaQd.47523$gA4.26663@edtnps89...
> >>>>> Yes I agree. First stating that you expect the initial release to
> >>>>> be too buggy to use and they stating you are waiting on the patch.
May
> >>>>> as well say you have no plans to buy or use it ever ;-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Mitch_A" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>> Schooner wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "For season 1, we plan to run NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. For
> >>>>>>> season 2,
> >>>>>>> if EA comes out with the patch for NASCAR Sim Racing, we plan to
> >>>>>>> switch at that time."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It hasn't been released yet and your waiting on a patch to fix
> >>>>>>> it. So what is the big issue so far?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> > wrote in message
> >>>>>>> oups.com...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Planning" on a patch from EA is a slippery slope to be treading
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mitch
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Remove "nospam." to reply.
> >>>>>> SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

My concern is that it seems most feel wit ha patch and fixing this and that
it will be a good as NR2003.
Out of the box it seems most are not blown away by any stretch and it has a
number of issues dealing with online setup/admin and so on.

Comparing this to N3 means little, people are looking for and expecting
something better than the current NR2003. EA has the money and resources to
do it right, this should not be a half assed "first try".

I hope it works out and it brings the life back to sim racing but the few
words on it so far make it seem ok but nothing special. I guess only time
and hands on testing will tell the true tale.

"Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
m...
> Remember that N3 didn't even have a dedicated server package when it was
> released. I believe this release will be very good and shot a LOT of
> potential. If they get the dedicated server package fixed (Admin commands
> installed), everyone will move to NSR online. They have fixed the online
> problems N2003 have suffered from since N4.
>
> Bill Bollinger
> www.gsxn.com
>
>
> "Schooner" > wrote in message
> news:64qQd.48642$gA4.44149@edtnps89...
>> Thanks. Well if it is missing that much out of the box I'd wager that it
>> is dead already to most of the sim world. Waiting on a patch to a buggy
>> game that isn't even on the shelf isn't going to impress anyone. For a
>> title they focused at a simmers they are missing a lot of simmer features
>> IMHO.
>>
>> "Plowboy" > wrote in message
>> news:LFnQd.62543$2p.25947@lakeread08...
>>> Schooner,
>>>
>>> Joe's website forums (www.ollineracin.com/forums) might shed some light
>>> onto what your asking. TO ME, In a nutshell EA decided to go gold with
>>> a lot of missing parts for "online" usability, for one example, the
>>> f2-space (that is in NRxx) to see intervals between your car and others.
>>> plus ways to control dedicated servers remotely (no dedicated commands
>>> to used by admins like we can papy dedicated servers as last I read)
>>> only a voting system I guess? plus other things like outputing/exporting
>>> of resuslts files, you know so post editing can detected I think, and
>>> some other things...
>>>
>>> Sorry I can't recall all the specific ones, there was seemingly quite a
>>> "list" from several different discussions... But EA has seemed to
>>> convince many that they will get this stuff fixed in promised a patch.
>>>
>>> Me? Well I dont know, it is kinda like selling anything... once it is
>>> money in your pocket, would you care? I can only hope in this case that
>>> EA will, I mean they are going to want to sell me games stuff eventually
>>> right?
>>>
>>> BUT if things keep going, & they end up being the only game
>>> publisher/developer in town anymore, which some reports they are be very
>>> 'Borg' like at EA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Schooner enlightened us with:
>>>> I hope it is, we need something to revive NASCAR sim racing. Leagues
>>>> are slowly drying up as is.
>>>> I'm just curious about hat the OP said.
>>>>
>>>> "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
>>>> m...
>>>>> I wouldn't be saying that. Mr. Hawkins just had a FANTASTIC Q&A
>>>>> session on www.crazygameworld.com (Teamspeak)
>>>>>
>>>>> NSR looks to be a kick ass release
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Bollinger
>>>>> www.gsxn.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Schooner" > wrote in message
>>>>> news:MXaQd.47523$gA4.26663@edtnps89...
>>>>>> Yes I agree. First stating that you expect the initial release to
>>>>>> be too buggy to use and they stating you are waiting on the patch.
>>>>>> May as well say you have no plans to buy or use it ever ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mitch_A" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Schooner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "For season 1, we plan to run NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. For
>>>>>>>> season 2,
>>>>>>>> if EA comes out with the patch for NASCAR Sim Racing, we plan to
>>>>>>>> switch at that time."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It hasn't been released yet and your waiting on a patch to fix
>>>>>>>> it. So what is the big issue so far?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Planning" on a patch from EA is a slippery slope to be treading
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitch
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Remove "nospam." to reply.
>>>>>>> SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

I think the issue is people are expecting a lot from it. EA claimed it was
built for simmers and it is missing key online simming features. It is 2-3
years newer than NR2003 and most seem to say it might be on par at best.
EA has burned people too many times and they have a lot of pressure on them
with the release of a "sim" title.

"JP" > wrote in message
...
> Hehe, yep, always amazing how the rose colored glasses work.
>
> Or how about the kudos that went to Papy for releasing a patch for 03,
> to
> fix the flaw that allowed unrealistic setups ? A basic flaw that you'd
> think after the umptienth Nx release wouldn't be in the game anyway.
> Or remember when ICR2 was released in such a mess, and the clamor about a
> patch for that ?
>
> Hehe, same old story; someone else does situation x, oh, the horror.
> Papy
> does the exact same thing.......cool, man, what great guys.
>
> LOL
>
>
> "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Remember that N3 didn't even have a dedicated server package when it was
>> released. I believe this release will be very good and shot a LOT of
>> potential. If they get the dedicated server package fixed (Admin
>> commands
>> installed), everyone will move to NSR online. They have fixed the online
>> problems N2003 have suffered from since N4.
>>
>> Bill Bollinger
>> www.gsxn.com
>>
>>
>> "Schooner" > wrote in message
>> news:64qQd.48642$gA4.44149@edtnps89...
>> > Thanks. Well if it is missing that much out of the box I'd wager that
> it
>> > is dead already to most of the sim world. Waiting on a patch to a
>> > buggy
>> > game that isn't even on the shelf isn't going to impress anyone. For a
>> > title they focused at a simmers they are missing a lot of simmer
> features
>> > IMHO.
>> >
>> > "Plowboy" > wrote in message
>> > news:LFnQd.62543$2p.25947@lakeread08...
>> >> Schooner,
>> >>
>> >> Joe's website forums (www.ollineracin.com/forums) might shed some
>> >> light
>> >> onto what your asking. TO ME, In a nutshell EA decided to go gold
>> >> with
> a
>> >> lot of missing parts for "online" usability, for one example, the
>> >> f2-space (that is in NRxx) to see intervals between your car and
> others.
>> >> plus ways to control dedicated servers remotely (no dedicated commands
> to
>> >> used by admins like we can papy dedicated servers as last I read) only
> a
>> >> voting system I guess? plus other things like outputing/exporting of
>> >> resuslts files, you know so post editing can detected I think, and
>> >> some
>> >> other things...
>> >>
>> >> Sorry I can't recall all the specific ones, there was seemingly quite
>> >> a
>> >> "list" from several different discussions... But EA has seemed to
>> >> convince many that they will get this stuff fixed in promised a patch.
>> >>
>> >> Me? Well I dont know, it is kinda like selling anything... once it
>> >> is
>> >> money in your pocket, would you care? I can only hope in this case
> that
>> >> EA will, I mean they are going to want to sell me games stuff
> eventually
>> >> right?
>> >>
>> >> BUT if things keep going, & they end up being the only game
>> >> publisher/developer in town anymore, which some reports they are be
> very
>> >> 'Borg' like at EA.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Schooner enlightened us with:
>> >>> I hope it is, we need something to revive NASCAR sim racing. Leagues
>> >>> are slowly drying up as is.
>> >>> I'm just curious about hat the OP said.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
>> >>> m...
>> >>>> I wouldn't be saying that. Mr. Hawkins just had a FANTASTIC Q&A
>> >>>> session on www.crazygameworld.com (Teamspeak)
>> >>>>
>> >>>> NSR looks to be a kick ass release
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Bill Bollinger
>> >>>> www.gsxn.com
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Schooner" > wrote in message
>> >>>> news:MXaQd.47523$gA4.26663@edtnps89...
>> >>>>> Yes I agree. First stating that you expect the initial release to
>> >>>>> be too buggy to use and they stating you are waiting on the patch.
> May
>> >>>>> as well say you have no plans to buy or use it ever ;-)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "Mitch_A" > wrote in message
>> >>>>> ...
>> >>>>>> Schooner wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> "For season 1, we plan to run NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. For
>> >>>>>>> season 2,
>> >>>>>>> if EA comes out with the patch for NASCAR Sim Racing, we plan to
>> >>>>>>> switch at that time."
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> It hasn't been released yet and your waiting on a patch to fix
>> >>>>>>> it. So what is the big issue so far?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> > wrote in message
>> >>>>>>> oups.com...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "Planning" on a patch from EA is a slippery slope to be treading
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mitch
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Remove "nospam." to reply.
>> >>>>>> SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Gil, Sorry if your division runs on a Monday. When dealing with 7 FP
leagues (35 divisions) running Monday thru Sunday, it's hard to keep
away from some holidays over the course of 16 week seasons. We try
to have enough off weeks, so admins can get with drivers on postponing
some races for the offweeks. Of course, major holidays in which many
people are off from work, we have those as off weeks. It's a catch22.
I know most of the divisions we will on offweeks for those races.
For the rest of the 30 divisions that run Tuesday thru Sunday still run
their race.

On NSR. I don't see many leagues jumping right over to the new game.
Especially the fixed setup leagues, or leagues that need to have
admins with the ability to boot drivers or issue black flags. I think
it will be great for pickup racing, but not sure if it's ready for
switch. I can assure you from my conversations with EA, they are
working with us very hard to get as much accomplished as possible to
resolve those issues for the patch.

For Flashpoint, there is no way we can do this; because more than 50%
of our leagues run fast-fixed setups. Also, the screen names for NSR
requires you register with EA; which means many drivers will most
likely be unable to use the same screen name they have used in their
league. With any league, this will require those admins to get their
rosters updated.

Overall, I think EA is heading in the right direction and with our
input, it can only get better.

Hey Bill, What were those online problems? Are you talking about the
cup physics weight distribution? Even their Trans Am physics had a
weird front right tire temp thing that was out of whack too?

Niles


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:01:10 GMT, "Bill Bollinger"
> wrote:

>Remember that N3 didn't even have a dedicated server package when it was
>released. I believe this release will be very good and shot a LOT of
>potential. If they get the dedicated server package fixed (Admin commands
>installed), everyone will move to NSR online. They have fixed the online
>problems N2003 have suffered from since N4.
>
>Bill Bollinger
>www.gsxn.com
>
>
>"Schooner" > wrote in message
>news:64qQd.48642$gA4.44149@edtnps89...
>> Thanks. Well if it is missing that much out of the box I'd wager that it
>> is dead already to most of the sim world. Waiting on a patch to a buggy
>> game that isn't even on the shelf isn't going to impress anyone. For a
>> title they focused at a simmers they are missing a lot of simmer features
>> IMHO.
>>
>> "Plowboy" > wrote in message
>> news:LFnQd.62543$2p.25947@lakeread08...
>>> Schooner,
>>>
>>> Joe's website forums (www.ollineracin.com/forums) might shed some light
>>> onto what your asking. TO ME, In a nutshell EA decided to go gold with a
>>> lot of missing parts for "online" usability, for one example, the
>>> f2-space (that is in NRxx) to see intervals between your car and others.
>>> plus ways to control dedicated servers remotely (no dedicated commands to
>>> used by admins like we can papy dedicated servers as last I read) only a
>>> voting system I guess? plus other things like outputing/exporting of
>>> resuslts files, you know so post editing can detected I think, and some
>>> other things...
>>>
>>> Sorry I can't recall all the specific ones, there was seemingly quite a
>>> "list" from several different discussions... But EA has seemed to
>>> convince many that they will get this stuff fixed in promised a patch.
>>>
>>> Me? Well I dont know, it is kinda like selling anything... once it is
>>> money in your pocket, would you care? I can only hope in this case that
>>> EA will, I mean they are going to want to sell me games stuff eventually
>>> right?
>>>
>>> BUT if things keep going, & they end up being the only game
>>> publisher/developer in town anymore, which some reports they are be very
>>> 'Borg' like at EA.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Schooner enlightened us with:
>>>> I hope it is, we need something to revive NASCAR sim racing. Leagues
>>>> are slowly drying up as is.
>>>> I'm just curious about hat the OP said.
>>>>
>>>> "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
>>>> m...
>>>>> I wouldn't be saying that. Mr. Hawkins just had a FANTASTIC Q&A
>>>>> session on www.crazygameworld.com (Teamspeak)
>>>>>
>>>>> NSR looks to be a kick ass release
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill Bollinger
>>>>> www.gsxn.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Schooner" > wrote in message
>>>>> news:MXaQd.47523$gA4.26663@edtnps89...
>>>>>> Yes I agree. First stating that you expect the initial release to
>>>>>> be too buggy to use and they stating you are waiting on the patch. May
>>>>>> as well say you have no plans to buy or use it ever ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mitch_A" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> Schooner wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "For season 1, we plan to run NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. For
>>>>>>>> season 2,
>>>>>>>> if EA comes out with the patch for NASCAR Sim Racing, we plan to
>>>>>>>> switch at that time."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It hasn't been released yet and your waiting on a patch to fix
>>>>>>>> it. So what is the big issue so far?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Planning" on a patch from EA is a slippery slope to be treading
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mitch
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Remove "nospam." to reply.
>>>>>>> SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

BILL,

N3 doesnt really count in this discussion after all, including this stuff
was a new concept in itself back then, nowdays it is a pre-requisite, dont
you think?


Bill Bollinger enlightened us with:
> Remember that N3 didn't even have a dedicated server package when it
> was released. I believe this release will be very good and shot a
> LOT of potential. If they get the dedicated server package fixed
> (Admin commands installed), everyone will move to NSR online. They
> have fixed the online problems N2003 have suffered from since N4.
sniped for brevity

<shrug> Papy made statements/promises too, that they didn't deliver on,
weren't correct, etc. I.e., "Nascar Racing 3 will be based on the gpl
engine" etc. "We can't put a save game feature in" (n1 and 2). "We're
unable to make the pit roads straight due to coding limitations" (EA did so
in 1998).

Also get a kick out of those slamming the car graphics in NSR. Until n4,
none of the car graphics in the Nx releases even resembled a stock car.

But anyway, I hear ya, know what you mean.


"Schooner" > wrote in message
news:FFFQd.57338$gA4.48405@edtnps89...
> I think the issue is people are expecting a lot from it. EA claimed it
was
> built for simmers and it is missing key online simming features. It is
2-3
> years newer than NR2003 and most seem to say it might be on par at best.
> EA has burned people too many times and they have a lot of pressure on
them
> with the release of a "sim" title.
>
> "JP" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hehe, yep, always amazing how the rose colored glasses work.
> >
> > Or how about the kudos that went to Papy for releasing a patch for 03,
> > to
> > fix the flaw that allowed unrealistic setups ? A basic flaw that you'd
> > think after the umptienth Nx release wouldn't be in the game anyway.
> > Or remember when ICR2 was released in such a mess, and the clamor about
a
> > patch for that ?
> >
> > Hehe, same old story; someone else does situation x, oh, the horror.
> > Papy
> > does the exact same thing.......cool, man, what great guys.
> >
> > LOL
> >
> >
> > "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
> > m...
> >> Remember that N3 didn't even have a dedicated server package when it
was
> >> released. I believe this release will be very good and shot a LOT of
> >> potential. If they get the dedicated server package fixed (Admin
> >> commands
> >> installed), everyone will move to NSR online. They have fixed the
online
> >> problems N2003 have suffered from since N4.
> >>
> >> Bill Bollinger
> >> www.gsxn.com
> >>
> >>
> >> "Schooner" > wrote in message
> >> news:64qQd.48642$gA4.44149@edtnps89...
> >> > Thanks. Well if it is missing that much out of the box I'd wager
that
> > it
> >> > is dead already to most of the sim world. Waiting on a patch to a
> >> > buggy
> >> > game that isn't even on the shelf isn't going to impress anyone. For
a
> >> > title they focused at a simmers they are missing a lot of simmer
> > features
> >> > IMHO.
> >> >
> >> > "Plowboy" > wrote in message
> >> > news:LFnQd.62543$2p.25947@lakeread08...
> >> >> Schooner,
> >> >>
> >> >> Joe's website forums (www.ollineracin.com/forums) might shed some
> >> >> light
> >> >> onto what your asking. TO ME, In a nutshell EA decided to go gold
> >> >> with
> > a
> >> >> lot of missing parts for "online" usability, for one example, the
> >> >> f2-space (that is in NRxx) to see intervals between your car and
> > others.
> >> >> plus ways to control dedicated servers remotely (no dedicated
commands
> > to
> >> >> used by admins like we can papy dedicated servers as last I read)
only
> > a
> >> >> voting system I guess? plus other things like outputing/exporting of
> >> >> resuslts files, you know so post editing can detected I think, and
> >> >> some
> >> >> other things...
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry I can't recall all the specific ones, there was seemingly
quite
> >> >> a
> >> >> "list" from several different discussions... But EA has seemed to
> >> >> convince many that they will get this stuff fixed in promised a
patch.
> >> >>
> >> >> Me? Well I dont know, it is kinda like selling anything... once it
> >> >> is
> >> >> money in your pocket, would you care? I can only hope in this case
> > that
> >> >> EA will, I mean they are going to want to sell me games stuff
> > eventually
> >> >> right?
> >> >>
> >> >> BUT if things keep going, & they end up being the only game
> >> >> publisher/developer in town anymore, which some reports they are be
> > very
> >> >> 'Borg' like at EA.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Schooner enlightened us with:
> >> >>> I hope it is, we need something to revive NASCAR sim racing.
Leagues
> >> >>> are slowly drying up as is.
> >> >>> I'm just curious about hat the OP said.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
> >> >>> m...
> >> >>>> I wouldn't be saying that. Mr. Hawkins just had a FANTASTIC Q&A
> >> >>>> session on www.crazygameworld.com (Teamspeak)
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> NSR looks to be a kick ass release
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Bill Bollinger
> >> >>>> www.gsxn.com
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> "Schooner" > wrote in message
> >> >>>> news:MXaQd.47523$gA4.26663@edtnps89...
> >> >>>>> Yes I agree. First stating that you expect the initial release
to
> >> >>>>> be too buggy to use and they stating you are waiting on the
patch.
> > May
> >> >>>>> as well say you have no plans to buy or use it ever ;-)
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> "Mitch_A" > wrote in message
> >> >>>>> ...
> >> >>>>>> Schooner wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "For season 1, we plan to run NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. For
> >> >>>>>>> season 2,
> >> >>>>>>> if EA comes out with the patch for NASCAR Sim Racing, we plan
to
> >> >>>>>>> switch at that time."
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> It hasn't been released yet and your waiting on a patch to fix
> >> >>>>>>> it. So what is the big issue so far?
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> > wrote in message
> >> >>>>>>> oups.com...
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> "Planning" on a patch from EA is a slippery slope to be treading
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Mitch
> >> >>>>>> --
> >> >>>>>> Remove "nospam." to reply.
> >> >>>>>> SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

You don't get the Papy rocket launch upon car contact for one.


"Niles Anders" > wrote in message
...
> Hey Bill, What were those online problems? Are you talking about the
> cup physics weight distribution? Even their Trans Am physics had a
> weird front right tire temp thing that was out of whack too?
>
> Niles
>
>
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 01:01:10 GMT, "Bill Bollinger"
> > wrote:
>
> >Remember that N3 didn't even have a dedicated server package when it was
> >released. I believe this release will be very good and shot a LOT of
> >potential. If they get the dedicated server package fixed (Admin
commands
> >installed), everyone will move to NSR online. They have fixed the online
> >problems N2003 have suffered from since N4.
> >
> >Bill Bollinger
> >www.gsxn.com
> >
> >
> >"Schooner" > wrote in message
> >news:64qQd.48642$gA4.44149@edtnps89...
> >> Thanks. Well if it is missing that much out of the box I'd wager that
it
> >> is dead already to most of the sim world. Waiting on a patch to a
buggy
> >> game that isn't even on the shelf isn't going to impress anyone. For a
> >> title they focused at a simmers they are missing a lot of simmer
features
> >> IMHO.
> >>
> >> "Plowboy" > wrote in message
> >> news:LFnQd.62543$2p.25947@lakeread08...
> >>> Schooner,
> >>>
> >>> Joe's website forums (www.ollineracin.com/forums) might shed some
light
> >>> onto what your asking. TO ME, In a nutshell EA decided to go gold
with a
> >>> lot of missing parts for "online" usability, for one example, the
> >>> f2-space (that is in NRxx) to see intervals between your car and
others.
> >>> plus ways to control dedicated servers remotely (no dedicated commands
to
> >>> used by admins like we can papy dedicated servers as last I read) only
a
> >>> voting system I guess? plus other things like outputing/exporting of
> >>> resuslts files, you know so post editing can detected I think, and
some
> >>> other things...
> >>>
> >>> Sorry I can't recall all the specific ones, there was seemingly quite
a
> >>> "list" from several different discussions... But EA has seemed to
> >>> convince many that they will get this stuff fixed in promised a patch.
> >>>
> >>> Me? Well I dont know, it is kinda like selling anything... once it
is
> >>> money in your pocket, would you care? I can only hope in this case
that
> >>> EA will, I mean they are going to want to sell me games stuff
eventually
> >>> right?
> >>>
> >>> BUT if things keep going, & they end up being the only game
> >>> publisher/developer in town anymore, which some reports they are be
very
> >>> 'Borg' like at EA.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Schooner enlightened us with:
> >>>> I hope it is, we need something to revive NASCAR sim racing. Leagues
> >>>> are slowly drying up as is.
> >>>> I'm just curious about hat the OP said.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Bill Bollinger" > wrote in message
> >>>> m...
> >>>>> I wouldn't be saying that. Mr. Hawkins just had a FANTASTIC Q&A
> >>>>> session on www.crazygameworld.com (Teamspeak)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> NSR looks to be a kick ass release
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bill Bollinger
> >>>>> www.gsxn.com
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Schooner" > wrote in message
> >>>>> news:MXaQd.47523$gA4.26663@edtnps89...
> >>>>>> Yes I agree. First stating that you expect the initial release to
> >>>>>> be too buggy to use and they stating you are waiting on the patch.
May
> >>>>>> as well say you have no plans to buy or use it ever ;-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Mitch_A" > wrote in message
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> Schooner wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "For season 1, we plan to run NASCAR Racing 2003 Season. For
> >>>>>>>> season 2,
> >>>>>>>> if EA comes out with the patch for NASCAR Sim Racing, we plan to
> >>>>>>>> switch at that time."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> It hasn't been released yet and your waiting on a patch to fix
> >>>>>>>> it. So what is the big issue so far?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> oups.com...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Planning" on a patch from EA is a slippery slope to be treading

> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Mitch
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Remove "nospam." to reply.
> >>>>>>> SuSE 9.2 Pro KDE 3.3.2a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

"JP" > wrote in message
...
> <shrug> Papy made statements/promises too, that they didn't deliver on,
> weren't correct, etc. I.e., "Nascar Racing 3 will be based on the gpl
> engine" etc. "We can't put a save game feature in" (n1 and 2). "We're
> unable to make the pit roads straight due to coding limitations" (EA did
so
> in 1998).

JP, you seem to do a lot of shrugging. A tick perhaps? ;-)

> Also get a kick out of those slamming the car graphics in NSR. Until
n4,
> none of the car graphics in the Nx releases even resembled a stock car.

Uh, it's 2005 now. Papy sorted that out years ago. GP2 didn't look so hot
either, come to think of it.

Before being labeled a fanboy, let it be known that I'm all in favor of
something that'll eclipse NR2003, whoever it comes from. And while NSR is a
genuine step up from it's predecessors, I just don't see it clearing that
hurdle. Losing the jittering online opponents and warp-driven online melees
would be a true improvement if NSR can manage it and still get a full field,
but there are so many other steps backward relative to NR2003 that only
people focused on that one issue will be convinced of it's superiority.

As for the known limitations of NR2003, remember it is two years old and
hasn't had benefit of that time for additional refinement. If you plot the
forward progress Papy made with the game while Sierra had the Nascar License
and project where it would likely be for a NR2005, Papy-style, NSR isn't
even in the same league.

But EA do have the NASCAR license now, so I certainly wish the Tiburon guys
luck in their efforts; I just wonder about the true level of commitment from
EA to the narrow slice of the market we hardcore sim-heads represent.

SB