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  #51  
Old July 19th 05, 05:52 PM
Daniel J. Stern
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Ulf, you've misquoted me. Proper attribution, please.

On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Ulf wrote:

> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, N8N wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>I don't think I'm missing the point. White is not a legal turn signal
> >>>color anywhere. Ergo - must have two amber turn signal lights in the
> >>>front.

>
> You're wrong. I know my local lighting regulations, and having white
> front turn signals on my Camaro is legal. Besides, from a safety
> standpoint, which is best; having amber DRLs or white turn signals?
>
> >>>In the US, there are two options for passenger car turn signals.
> >>>1) Two amber in the front and two amber in the rear.
> >>>2) Two amber in the front and two red in the rear.

>
> Sure, when the car was sold new.
>
> >
> >
> >>The wrinkle is that the front *parking lights* which are almost always
> >>combined with the turn signals, may be white or amber.

> >
> >
> > That is not the wrinkle at all. That has, in fact, nothing to do with the
> > color of front turn signals.
> >
> > Ulf is right(!) on this one. I did explain it in a previous post.

>
> I've been right the whole time. The thing is that you don't have the
> slightest clue what my local regulations say. All you do is cite the
> Federal and ECE regs.
>
> >
> >
> >>Other than very
> >>recent cars, I can only think of one example of white parking lights
> >>being used (VW Corrado)

> >
> >
> > Audi 200
> > Volvo 122
> > Volvo 140
> > Toyota Camry through '95, and numerous other Toyotas
> > Several Nissans
> > Several different Hondas and Acuras
> > Subaru Impreza through '01
> > ...

>
> Doesn't almost a majority of the European cars have white parking lights
> now?
>
> >

> Ulf
>

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  #52  
Old July 19th 05, 07:30 PM
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Ulf wrote:
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, N8N wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>I don't think I'm missing the point. White is not a legal turn signal
> >>>color anywhere. Ergo - must have two amber turn signal lights in the
> >>>front.

>
> You're wrong. I know my local lighting regulations, and having white
> front turn signals on my Camaro is legal. Besides, from a safety
> standpoint, which is best; having amber DRLs or white turn signals?


While my state (California) doesn't seem to have any prohibition
against white turn signal lamps, I've never seen one. I would
suppose it would all depend on what the particular state law
says, and whether or not there are inspections and/or the local
law enforcement is willing to pull over cars for failure to meet
state standards.

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Old July 19th 05, 07:49 PM
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, y_p_w wrote:
> > Also curious about your opinion of those chrome colored turn-signal
> > bulbs that glow amber/red/etc.

>
> The ones that Osram makes (Osram Diadem, Sylvania Silverstar SIGNAL
> bulbs) and the ones that Philips makes (SilverVision) are good. The
> numerous different knockoffs don't put out *nearly* enough light to
> be safe or legal. Nobody makes a decent one in your all-glass 7440
> format.


I found this:

<http://perso.wanadoo.fr/christian.balac/Work/WY21WSV%20Website.jpg>

I'm not sure if anyone imports them to the US. There are tons of
importers for the European metal base SilverVision bulbs. This
particular one (WY21W) only seems to be available in Japan.

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Old July 19th 05, 07:56 PM
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, y_p_w wrote:
> > Also curious about your opinion of those chrome colored turn-signal
> > bulbs that glow amber/red/etc.

>
> The ones that Osram makes (Osram Diadem, Sylvania Silverstar SIGNAL
> bulbs) and the ones that Philips makes (SilverVision) are good. The
> numerous different knockoffs don't put out *nearly* enough light to
> be safe or legal. Nobody makes a decent one in your all-glass 7440
> format.


And these:

<http://www.lighting.philips.co.jp/jp/-/Portal?xml=catalogue/automotive_family&fldr_id=4630>
<http://www.rakuten.co.jp/rca/649589/650161/650172>

I can't read Japanese, but I think that's 2,000 yen (about $18 US)
for a pair.

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Old July 19th 05, 08:54 PM
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> Ulf, you've misquoted me. Proper attribution, please.


Look who's talking. Daniel, I only replied to your post, didn't edit
anything in it. If you feel you're misquoted it's your fault. Then
again, your reply is only to divert from the original subject since you
obviously realized that it's impossible to prove me wrong...


Ulf
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Old July 19th 05, 08:56 PM
Ulf
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y_p_w wrote:
> Ulf wrote:
>
>>Daniel J. Stern wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 18 Jul 2005, N8N wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I don't think I'm missing the point. White is not a legal turn signal
>>>>>color anywhere. Ergo - must have two amber turn signal lights in the
>>>>>front.

>>
>>You're wrong. I know my local lighting regulations, and having white
>>front turn signals on my Camaro is legal. Besides, from a safety
>>standpoint, which is best; having amber DRLs or white turn signals?

>
>
> While my state (California) doesn't seem to have any prohibition
> against white turn signal lamps, I've never seen one. I would
> suppose it would all depend on what the particular state law
> says, and whether or not there are inspections and/or the local
> law enforcement is willing to pull over cars for failure to meet
> state standards.


We were debating whether or not they were legal, not how lax the
enforcement is.

>

Ulf
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Old July 19th 05, 09:12 PM
Daniel J. Stern
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, y_p_w wrote:

> <http://www.rakuten.co.jp/rca/649589/650161/650172>
>
> I can't read Japanese, but I think that's 2,000 yen (about $18 US) for a
> pair.


Yeah, Philips sells some interesting stuff on the Japanese market that
they do not sell anywhere else in the world. Selective-yellow HID bulbs
(D2R, D2S) for instance.


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Old July 19th 05, 09:47 PM
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Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, y_p_w wrote:
>
> > <http://www.rakuten.co.jp/rca/649589/650161/650172>
> >
> > I can't read Japanese, but I think that's 2,000 yen (about $18 US)
> > for a pair.

>
> Yeah, Philips sells some interesting stuff on the Japanese market
> that they do not sell anywhere else in the world. Selective-yellow
> HID bulbs (D2R, D2S) for instance.


I know you said there were no acceptable "chrome" 7440A or WY21W
bulbs, but I was guessing because the vast majority are poorly
executed examples from non-name brands(like "Pilot" or "Stealth").
Do you suppose these are equivalent in performance to Philips'
SilverVision line sold in Europe?

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Old July 19th 05, 10:31 PM
Daniel J. Stern
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On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, y_p_w wrote:

> > > <http://www.rakuten.co.jp/rca/649589/650161/650172>


> Do you suppose these are equivalent in performance to Philips'
> SilverVision line sold in Europe?


Probably.
  #60  
Old July 21st 05, 03:35 AM
Arif Khokar
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Ulf wrote:

> Look who's talking. Daniel, I only replied to your post, didn't edit
> anything in it. If you feel you're misquoted it's your fault.


Show us the post where Daniel typed the sentence you attributed to him.
You've been posting to usenet long enough to know how to quote and
attribute properly. The fact that you fail to do so is noone's fault
but your own.
 




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