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>>People don't NEED to be driving at all, so unless you have a bus pass >>you're just talking out of your ass. Hummmm, speak for yourself. I suppose it may be that you don't NEED to be driving. But I do. I'm disabled and cannot ride a bike or ever walk more than around 1/4 mile without a rest. I also don't deal with heat well. I live in a city (Knoxville, Tennessee) with very poor public transportation and long hot summers. The nearest place to buy food is a mile or so away, my work is seven miles away and the nearest public transportation is about three mile away. If I don't NEED to drive, explain to me how I get work, buy food, etc. I suppose you could pass laws greatly limiting where folks like me can live/work etc, or lock us up somewhere or just kill us, but lacking these draconian measures I think that some of us do indeed NEED to drive. Of course, I didn't mention all of the people who live in rural areas with no public transprotation. How do you suggest they get around if they don't NEED to drive? r Ron Tipton Dragonhome.org |
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I hate to tell ya but minivans are also considered trucks. Ever
ridden in a Ford Aerostar or a Chevy Astro? Definitely a truck. SUV and station wagons are alike because they are both not sedans, they are both more utilitarian than sedans, they both have an enclosed cargo area accessible from the passenger area. They both come in 2WD and 4WD, althought most SUVs are either 2WD or 4WD, while some station wagons are only 2WD and other station wagons are only 4WD. On average SUVs are larger than station wagons, but not always. So is a PT Cruiser an SUV? Is it a station wagon? Is it a truck? It looks like a delivery truck from a few generations in the past. On 12 Jun 2004 20:10:00 -0700, (ben) wrote: >hate to tell ya but SUVs are different than minivans and station >wagons because they are considered trucks.... > >a truck by def of the federal gov. does not have too meet the same gas >and safety standards as a passanger car > >"being classified as a light truck has its advantages. Trucks must >post a CAFE (corporate average fuel economy) of 20.7 miles per gallon >(with a very modest boost to 22.2 mpg by 2007), while that figure is >27.5 mpg for passenger cars; and until now light trucks have been >given breaks on tighter new air pollution regulations, although they >will soon be held to the same emissions standards as cars." > >http://www.thecarconnection.com/inde...1&article=6769 > >(which is why auto makers like classifying SUVs as trucks)..... > >the bottome line in a capitalist culture is all about $$$$$$$$$ > > > |
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"charliew2" > wrote in message ... > Sgt. Sausage wrote: > > "ben" > wrote in message [snip] > > > > On the other hand, in general, I think they're too > > high -- but only because I'm a consumer seeking > > to reduce my expenses. I've no idea what the "ideal" > > price of a gallon is in the U.S, but I'd like to think it's > > a helluva lot lower than we're paying now and I'd like > > to think we actually have a chance of reducing the > > current prices to that "ideal" price. > > > > (cut) > > I've seen this type of thinking before, though not expressed so explicitly. > If you could indulge me a bit, please take a bit of time to think about the > "ideal" price and try to tell me why that particular price is ideal. Which part? The part about it being cheaper was just me being a greedy consumer. I want everything. I want it now, and I want it cheap. Ideally, everything I want to consume would be free, but that's not gonna happen! <grin> For me, the true "ideal" price would involve a lot of factors -- hence the above "I've no idea" -- these factors involve things I'm not up to speed on. The "ideal" price, for me, would be ... umm ... something along the lines of "Everyone who wanted to cosume it could afford it, and everyone who wanted to produce it could make a reasonable profit". But, that's really a vague concept. What exactly is "could afford it" -- at what cost (not just at the pump $$$)? What exactly is a "reasonable profit" ? Whether or not such things actually have an answer or if there is such a thing as an "ideal price" is a question I really can't answer. The more I think about it, the more I think the concept of an "ideal price" is really just a Bunch-O-Hogwash. Please ignore my previous post about "ideal" price. |
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"charliew2" > wrote in message ... > Sgt. Sausage wrote: > > "ben" > wrote in message [snip] > > > > On the other hand, in general, I think they're too > > high -- but only because I'm a consumer seeking > > to reduce my expenses. I've no idea what the "ideal" > > price of a gallon is in the U.S, but I'd like to think it's > > a helluva lot lower than we're paying now and I'd like > > to think we actually have a chance of reducing the > > current prices to that "ideal" price. > > > > (cut) > > I've seen this type of thinking before, though not expressed so explicitly. > If you could indulge me a bit, please take a bit of time to think about the > "ideal" price and try to tell me why that particular price is ideal. Which part? The part about it being cheaper was just me being a greedy consumer. I want everything. I want it now, and I want it cheap. Ideally, everything I want to consume would be free, but that's not gonna happen! <grin> For me, the true "ideal" price would involve a lot of factors -- hence the above "I've no idea" -- these factors involve things I'm not up to speed on. The "ideal" price, for me, would be ... umm ... something along the lines of "Everyone who wanted to cosume it could afford it, and everyone who wanted to produce it could make a reasonable profit". But, that's really a vague concept. What exactly is "could afford it" -- at what cost (not just at the pump $$$)? What exactly is a "reasonable profit" ? Whether or not such things actually have an answer or if there is such a thing as an "ideal price" is a question I really can't answer. The more I think about it, the more I think the concept of an "ideal price" is really just a Bunch-O-Hogwash. Please ignore my previous post about "ideal" price. |
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Get a motorcycle - most get more then 50 mpg or more great for short
trips wouldn't work to good for Ron though. I'm just as guilty at my house we have 2 cars (MR2 86, Accord 95) 1 Truck ( GMC K1500 98 ) 1 Van ( Quest 01 ). I ride my street bike to work or the MR2 because of the price of gas. The Quest takes about 15 gal @ 2.30 ( LA County, Califorina ) which would be about 34$, the Truck would would set me back over 60$. The MR2 gets about 30 mpg if I stay out of the red line I normal get 26 mpg. I have no idea what the Accord gets because I never drive it ( her car ). The Truck gets about 12 mpg and the Van will get 21 mpg on the open highway buy about 15 to as low as 12 depending if I have a Van full of Wife kids and stuff with the air blowing. My hole point after reading most of the post to this thread is that yes I beleive that gas is toooo high but there ain't **** I can do about it! I need my Truck to hall my stuff around (Toyota nor Nissan doesn't make a Truck with enough balls or room) and the Van for when the wife and kids. I still have my 1986 MR2 from my single days because it's fun to drive and It's payed for and the most important it is reliable. The bottom line is Michael has all these gas powered vehicals at his house and he's going to have to pay it! But I have been riding my motorcyle a lot more these days!! Michael B's 2$ worth Ron Tipton > wrote in message >... > >>People don't NEED to be driving at all, so unless you have a bus pass > >>you're just talking out of your ass. > > Hummmm, speak for yourself. I suppose it may be that you don't NEED to > be driving. But I do. I'm disabled and cannot ride a bike or ever walk > more than around 1/4 mile without a rest. I also don't deal with heat > well. I live in a city (Knoxville, Tennessee) with very poor public > transportation and long hot summers. The nearest place to buy food is > a mile or so away, my work is seven miles away and the nearest public > transportation is about three mile away. > > If I don't NEED to drive, explain to me how I get work, buy food, etc. > I suppose you could pass laws greatly limiting where folks like me can > live/work etc, or lock us up somewhere or just kill us, but lacking > these draconian measures I think that some of us do indeed NEED to drive. > > Of course, I didn't mention all of the people who live in rural areas > with no public transprotation. How do you suggest they get around if > they don't NEED to drive? > > r > > Ron Tipton > Dragonhome.org |
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