62 MPG by the Year 2025

On 10/3/2010 6:09 PM, bert wrote:.
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> In the year 2025 Americans will be peddling their bikes. China will
> make that reality TreBert


My guess is that Americans would rather pay a higher price for synfuel
than give up motorized transportation altogether. Might accept smaller,
more fuel efficient cars to keep overall costs similar.

It is certainly possible to make motor fuels from a number of
feedstocks- they just cannot compete with petroleum-based fuels yet, though.

--
Don Stauffer in Minnesota

In sci.physics Don Stauffer > wrote:
> On 10/3/2010 6:09 PM, bert wrote:.
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>> In the year 2025 Americans will be peddling their bikes. China will
>> make that reality TreBert
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> My guess is that Americans would rather pay a higher price for synfuel
> than give up motorized transportation altogether. Might accept smaller,
> more fuel efficient cars to keep overall costs similar.

Duh.

Giving up motorized transportation altogether means civilization shuts down
and massive starvation.

> It is certainly possible to make motor fuels from a number of
> feedstocks- they just cannot compete with petroleum-based fuels yet, though.

Well, that is certainly true, but necessity is the mother of invention.

I take you've never seen a movie of the WWII era with a car with a gas
generator on top of it.


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Jim Pennino

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On Oct 3, 7:09Â*pm, bert > wrote:
> On Oct 3, 5:59Â*pm, jim beam > wrote:
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> > On 10/03/2010 09:15 AM, Don Stauffer wrote:
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> > > Yes, the ceramic work is what I was referring to about coking the
> > > lubricant. The ceramics stood up to the job, but the oil would not. We
> > > need oil with a much higher temperature capability. Or should I just say
> > > lubricant- doesn't have to be oil.
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> > jet engines typically use ester-based lubricants. Â*should be more than
> > sufficient for initial applications.
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> > that's assuming we even use ceramics. Â*there are many more heat
> > resistant metal alloy classes we haven't used in vehicle production that
> > are much easier to work with before we go down the ceramics road. Â*the
> > point being that there's some kind of fear of using larger catalysts to
> > cope with the greater NOâ‚“ production that higher combustion temperatures
> > produce. Â*let's deal with that before we get into the ceramics thing.
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> > > On 10/2/2010 11:20 AM, jim beam wrote:
> > > . when i was a materials undergrad, there was a lot of
> > >> research going into ceramics for diesel engines. the ceramic prototypes
> > >> then being tested could operate at significantly higher temperatures,
> > >> were thus considerably more thermodynamically efficient, and performed
> > >> excellently. they also had the added benefit of being significantly more
> > >> wear resistant than metals. but they were freakin' expensive to produce,
> > >> even more expensive to machine, and highly intolerant of abuse. none of
> > >> these are insurmountable problems of course, but they are a hurdle no
> > >> one has, in the light of the emissions issue, had the willingness to
> > >> jump.
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So, you think we'll be selling bikes to the Chinese??

Selling bikes to the Chinese? The Rickshaw was invented in America.
cuhulin

What Merle Haggard sang in the Six Pack movie,,, We will all be drinking
that Green Bubble Up and eating that Rainbow Stew.
cuhulin

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> What Merle Haggard sang in the Six Pack movie,,, We will all be drinking
> that Green Bubble Up and eating that Rainbow Stew.
> cuhulin
And we all won't have any teeff! YeeHaw!

teeff? A woman in a Baton Rouge chatroom, about eight years ago she
said, My toofs hurt.I told her, At least you have some toofs, I put mine
in a cup of that fizzy stuff every night before I go to bed.
cuhulin

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> On Oct 1, 8:42*pm, "f. barnes" > wrote:
>> On Oct 1, 5:47*pm, PolicySpy > wrote:
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> Maybe we'll be using hydrogen or natural gas by then. Probably not..
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Converting a car to run on natural gas is and has been dead simple for
over 20 years now. Even more so with direct injection. The problem is
the horrible smell coming out of the tailpipe and lack of performance.
Hydrogen combustion is something that seems to bave been forgotten when
fuel cells started to become popular. I can see no valid reason for it.

Feul cells *run* on Hydrogen, so both of what you mention are currently
already used.

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(setq (chuck nil) car(chuck) )

On 10/2/2010 9:13 AM, dsi1 wrote:
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> Will anybody care what kind of mileage you can get from a piston engine
> in 15 years? Are we still gonna be using Windows?? on desktops in 2025?
> Are we still going to be in Afghanistan???

I saw a client that's a retired auto worker the other day and brought up
the question of electric cars. He told me that the industry could
convert to electricity in 18 months if it wanted to. This was a
startling statement to me.

He said they're not going to do this because it would cause major
lay-offs and disruptions in how we do things. Auto repair shops and
parts stores would have to rethink their areas of focus in a world
without transmissions, piston engines, all the fluids and oils and snake
oils we've come to love - no more Marvel Mystery Oil! OTOH, Tire
Warehouse et al. can probably rest easy until the flying car comes
online in 2030. :-)

The guy figures it's going to take quite a while. "You and I probably
won't live to see it happen." is the way he put it. He estimates that
it'll take 15 years for the changeover. This was a startling statement
to me. I was hoping to live slightly longer than that but it gives me
comfort that there are at least one other cuckoo in this nest.

Of course, the guy could be just another crackpot however, I did trust
him enough to let him walk out of my office with a thousand or so bucks
worth of equipment with zero security deposit.

In sci.physics dsi1 > wrote:
> On 10/2/2010 9:13 AM, dsi1 wrote:
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>> Will anybody care what kind of mileage you can get from a piston engine
>> in 15 years? Are we still gonna be using Windows?? on desktops in 2025?
>> Are we still going to be in Afghanistan???
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> I saw a client that's a retired auto worker the other day and brought up
> the question of electric cars. He told me that the industry could
> convert to electricity in 18 months if it wanted to. This was a
> startling statement to me.
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> He said they're not going to do this because it would cause major
> lay-offs and disruptions in how we do things. Auto repair shops and
> parts stores would have to rethink their areas of focus in a world
> without transmissions, piston engines, all the fluids and oils and snake
> oils we've come to love - no more Marvel Mystery Oil! OTOH, Tire
> Warehouse et al. can probably rest easy until the flying car comes
> online in 2030. :-)

Utter nonsense.

If by some feat of magic there were to be an electric car that has the
same capability and price as a conventional car and production of new
conventional cars were outlawed, it would still take around a decade
or two before a significant percentage of conventional cars were replaced.

In 2009 the median age of passenger cars in operation was 9.4 years.


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Jim Pennino

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