Offical Pics of the New Miata

On 2005-02-22, Scott Hughes > wrote:

> another exerpt:
> "the Miata has grown in just about every measurable dimension"

I'm afraid it may have declined in the much more important but
unmeasurable dimensions.

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at stealing BASKET BALLS to
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Grant Edwards wrote:
> On 2005-02-22, Scott Hughes > wrote:
>
>
>>another exerpt:
>>"the Miata has grown in just about every measurable dimension"
>
>
> I'm afraid it may have declined in the much more important but
> unmeasurable dimensions.

You know, I'm sure it is a great car, probably the smoothest,
most powerful, most comfortable thing Mazda has ever called a
"Miata" ... and that's the problem. Are we accustomed to using
all those words in the same sentence as a Miata?

;-)

Dana

"W. Kiernan" > writes:

> Scott Streeter wrote:
>
> > http://www.autoweek.com/files/specia...x5/pages/1.htm
>
> After hearing about how the new Miata is supposed to look more
> "masculine" that's, surprisingly, not bad looking at all; with all
> that "macho" talk I was expecting it to be clunky and awful, sort of a
> roadster version of the Hummer, or maybe just way overdone like the
> RX-8.
>
> If you start with a wax model of the RX-8, scrape a few of the dumber
> excrescences such as that wankel-rotor insignia at the bottom of the
> rear panel clean off, and then work over the remainder with a heat
> gun, you might end up with a pretty sightly GT. How the same company
> that styled the elegant first-generation Miata and the gorgeous
> third-generation RX-7 could come up with something like the RX-8 is
> beyond me; it looks like something out of the 1980s Subaru styling
> department.
>
> Anyway, has anyone got any idea how much this thing is going to weigh?

Suppost to be only 22 lbs. heavier than the current car.

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Scott Streeter

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"Scott Streeter" > wrote in message
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>
> http://www.autoweek.com/files/specia...x5/pages/1.htm
>
> --
> Scott Streeter
>
> http://www.wpi.edu/~ss/

Thanks for the link, Scott.

I don't know about y'all, but I am not impressed at all. Maybe if I was to
see one in person I might feel different, but right now, I just don't know.
Maybe it'll grow on me? I know I certainly wouldn't trade my NB for that
thing based on those pics.

Sadly, I think this may just spell the end of the Miata as we have known it,
if that's the best they can do.

Regards,
H.

"HardwareLust" > wrote in
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>
> "Scott Streeter" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> http://www.autoweek.com/files/specia...x5/pages/1.htm
>>
>> --
>> Scott Streeter
>>
>> http://www.wpi.edu/~ss/
>
> Thanks for the link, Scott.
>
> I don't know about y'all, but I am not impressed at all. Maybe if I
> was to see one in person I might feel different, but right now, I just
> don't know. Maybe it'll grow on me? I know I certainly wouldn't trade
> my NB for that thing based on those pics.
>
> Sadly, I think this may just spell the end of the Miata as we have
> known it, if that's the best they can do.
>
> Regards,
> H.
>
>
>

Well, the good news is, it is very rare that pictures do justice. Not
saying that everyone will love it when the see it in person. But more
often than not, when I see a car in real life for the first time, I'm
usually thinking, "man, that looks way better/worse/different than the
pics I saw online or in a magazine."

Right now, there's people who think that both the NA and NB are great
looking cars, others who think the NA looks WAY better than the NB and
visa-versa. I'm sure it'll be no different when the NC is added to the
list. There are definately some significant changes, but I don't see
anything that threatens to ruin the Miata line.

-Scott

"Scott Hughes" > wrote in message
...
>
> Well, the good news is, it is very rare that pictures do justice. Not
> saying that everyone will love it when the see it in person. But more
> often than not, when I see a car in real life for the first time, I'm
> usually thinking, "man, that looks way better/worse/different than the
> pics I saw online or in a magazine."
>
> Right now, there's people who think that both the NA and NB are great
> looking cars, others who think the NA looks WAY better than the NB and
> visa-versa. I'm sure it'll be no different when the NC is added to the
> list. There are definately some significant changes, but I don't see
> anything that threatens to ruin the Miata line.
>
> -Scott

I don't know. I agree with what you said about seeing it in person, that's
true. I'll have to wait and see. But, if it's not any better in person,
and the Average Joe can get a Pontiac Solstice for less than $20k, then this
one just may be a tough sell, unless Mazda cuts their prices dramatically,
and I just don't see that happening.

IMHO, of course. I could be all wrong, and they sell a million of these,
which would still make me happy. I certainly wish no ill toward Mazda, and
I'm sure we'll welcome new NC owners as eagerly as NA and NB owners have
been all along.

H.

In article >, Scott Streeter > wrote:

>Suppost to be only 22 lbs. heavier than the current car.

I read the same thing ("about 10 kilos"), but it didn't say as
compared to which NB, base or Mazdaspeed. Not that there is that
much diff between them (say 2440 vs 2530 lbs).

Writing of the Mazdaspeed, it is a little surprising that the new
NC will be ~158 hp whereas the MS is 178 hp and can be found for
~$20K new (massive discounts). Still, the NC has some things in
its favor: stiffer chassis, upgraded suspension based on the
RX8's, and (for better or worse) new looks.

I'm on the fence. It looks like a Miata, I'm sure it drives like
one. But I'm not sure if it is much of a step, up or mostly just
sideways.

Expect a force induction model in the future.

I can't get the darn link to work, seems maybe their server went down or
something. Any one else having trouble?

As far as the looks go, when you love a car, you generally don't respond
favorably to changes to that car, at least at first. Patience......
As for the RX8 I've got to say that it will go down in styling history side
by side with the 1st and 3rd gen RX7's and the Miata. Might not be for
'everybody' but it is an excellent design by design standards. It's
innovative, creative, coherent and bold. IMHO they did go just a bit
overboard w/ the not-so-hidden wankel symbols and the extrovertness of the
interior but hey, it ain't no boring Pontiac.

Chris
92BB&T

"HardwareLust" > wrote in message
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>
> "Scott Hughes" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Well, the good news is, it is very rare that pictures do justice. Not
> > saying that everyone will love it when the see it in person. But more
> > often than not, when I see a car in real life for the first time, I'm
> > usually thinking, "man, that looks way better/worse/different than the
> > pics I saw online or in a magazine."
> >
> > Right now, there's people who think that both the NA and NB are great
> > looking cars, others who think the NA looks WAY better than the NB and
> > visa-versa. I'm sure it'll be no different when the NC is added to the
> > list. There are definately some significant changes, but I don't see
> > anything that threatens to ruin the Miata line.
> >
> > -Scott
>
> I don't know. I agree with what you said about seeing it in person,
that's
> true. I'll have to wait and see. But, if it's not any better in person,
> and the Average Joe can get a Pontiac Solstice for less than $20k, then
this
> one just may be a tough sell, unless Mazda cuts their prices dramatically,
> and I just don't see that happening.
>
> IMHO, of course. I could be all wrong, and they sell a million of these,
> which would still make me happy. I certainly wish no ill toward Mazda,
and
> I'm sure we'll welcome new NC owners as eagerly as NA and NB owners have
> been all along.
>
> H.
>
>

It's still growing on me, and as all cars it looks better from certain
angles.
It's a relief that Mazda has stuck to its initial goals as much as it can, I
even heard a rumour the NC would have a retractable hard top ala SLK!!!!
For me the best looking MX-5 is the NA, but then it won't surprise you to
know that mine is a NA so I am bound to be slightly biased, and some of the
things I like best about the NA are some of the things the Initial designers
did not want (pop up headlights anyone?)
The thing we all have to come to terms with are when the NA was designed,
the designers started out with basically a blank sheet, nowadays what with
passenger impact, and crash test laws being so strict the designers hands
are pretty much restricted from the start.
I am sure that's the major contributing factor to the front end being so
bulbous, I like it and its definitely going to look better in the flesh.
Will I buy 1?
Nope but that's because I can't afford 1,
Guess I'll have to wait 10 years till the second hand ones come down in
price.
I still think that if you have 10k a 5k MX-5 with 5k of after market extras
is the best car around.

Btw any of you UK subscribers read Autocar?
The MX-5 get the best handling car award.

Cheers Mark.




"Dana H. Myers" > wrote in message
...
> Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2005-02-22, Scott Hughes > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>another exerpt:
>>>"the Miata has grown in just about every measurable dimension"
>>
>>
>> I'm afraid it may have declined in the much more important but
>> unmeasurable dimensions.
>
> You know, I'm sure it is a great car, probably the smoothest,
> most powerful, most comfortable thing Mazda has ever called a
> "Miata" ... and that's the problem. Are we accustomed to using
> all those words in the same sentence as a Miata?
>
> ;-)
>
> Dana
>
>

"HardwareLust" > writes:

> "Scott Hughes" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Well, the good news is, it is very rare that pictures do justice. Not
> > saying that everyone will love it when the see it in person. But more
> > often than not, when I see a car in real life for the first time, I'm
> > usually thinking, "man, that looks way better/worse/different than the
> > pics I saw online or in a magazine."
> >
> > Right now, there's people who think that both the NA and NB are great
> > looking cars, others who think the NA looks WAY better than the NB and
> > visa-versa. I'm sure it'll be no different when the NC is added to the
> > list. There are definately some significant changes, but I don't see
> > anything that threatens to ruin the Miata line.
> >
> > -Scott
>
> I don't know. I agree with what you said about seeing it in person, that's
> true. I'll have to wait and see. But, if it's not any better in person,
> and the Average Joe can get a Pontiac Solstice for less than $20k, then this
> one just may be a tough sell, unless Mazda cuts their prices dramatically,
> and I just don't see that happening.
>
> IMHO, of course. I could be all wrong, and they sell a million of these,
> which would still make me happy. I certainly wish no ill toward Mazda, and
> I'm sure we'll welcome new NC owners as eagerly as NA and NB owners have
> been all along.
>
> H.

I would image the built quality in the Miata will be higher. The only
think I think they should have done different is the wheel arches. I
know they are trying to tie the sports cars together (RX-8) but if
those lines where more sutble and blended into the body more it would
look much cleaner to me. Also the clear taillights suck too. Hopefully
that's just an option (check off "rice-boy" on your build sheet). But
like all cars you need to get in and drive them. Plus I'm sure all the
rags will be comparing the Miata/Solstice/Sky in many articles.

--
Scott Streeter

http://www.wpi.edu/~ss/