A Cars forum. AutoBanter

If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Go Back   Home » AutoBanter forum » Auto newsgroups » Technology
Site Map Home Register Authors List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Web Partners

Paging Daniel Stern - amber turn signals



 
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #31  
Old July 15th 05, 06:43 PM
Daniel J. Stern
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, y_p_w wrote:

> Ulf wrote:


> > Actually, white parking lights/turn signals work pretty good


> Probably not legal.


White parking lamps are legal. White DRLs are legal. White turn signals
Federally aren't. Some states' vehicle codes are decades out of date and
haven't been changed from "white or amber" to "amber" on the front turn
signals to reflect the Federal requirement for amber enacted in the mid
'60s.

> For some strange reason, the front turn signals bulbs in my car are
> clear behind an amber lens (in the headlight assembly).


Makes it harder for ricer types to substitute blue.

> I've seen some "color covers". I know - "halfassed ****". Might even
> burn?


Yep, and they don't let through enough light.

> Well - I did get some clear (Sylvania packaged) 7440 and 7443 bulbs as
> spares. I can't quite figure out why they're not packaged (in pairs) in
> a way to keep the bulbs from banging into each other.


We've run into that a lot with Osram/Sylvania stuff in the last few years.

> I still have to contact DS about the amber bulbs and some H1 bulbs I
> need.


Operators are standing by!
Ads
  #32  
Old July 15th 05, 06:47 PM
N8N
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default



Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Ulf wrote:
>
> >There's also a product called "Color Chrome", or something like that. I
> >thought about buying a can and color the lights on my BMW a little. I'm
> >not sure if it works on bulbs, or only lenses, but it might be worth a
> >try.

>
> Works very well on lenses, probably works OK on low-heat bulbs.
> http://dastern.torque.net/lampics/selyel.html


Would an 1157 or similar qualify do you think? I used to have a friend
who was a POR-15 dealer, I can see if he has a little I can borrow to
experiment with.

I *don't* want to color the lenses, those are also rare and expensive
(and plastic to boot.)

nate

  #33  
Old July 15th 05, 07:21 PM
Daniel J. Stern
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, N8N wrote:

> > Works very well on lenses, probably works OK on low-heat bulbs.
> > http://dastern.torque.net/lampics/selyel.html

>
> Would an 1157 or similar qualify do you think?


Can't say for sure.

> who was a POR-15 dealer, I can see if he has a little I can borrow to
> experiment with.


Half-and-half "14K Gold" and "Afterburner Orange" ought to produce a
half-decent amber.

> I *don't* want to color the lenses, those are also rare and expensive
> (and plastic to boot.)


Still ain't seen e-mail from you...if one comes in, I'll respond with
other suggestions that don't involve painting anything.
  #34  
Old July 15th 05, 07:26 PM
y_p_w
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Ulf wrote:
> y_p_w wrote:
> > Ulf wrote:
> >
> >>Nate Nagel wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Is there any legitimate method for turning a clear glass bulb into an
> >>>amber one? I'm not nuts about the lack of contrast between the turn
> >>>signals and headlights, but I'm also not prepared to modify the very
> >>>rare and expensive parking light housings with a different socket...
> >>
> >>Actually, white parking lights/turn signals work pretty good, at least
> >>as long as they're not too close to the headlights. I put clear turn
> >>signal/parking/DRL bulbs on my Camaro (as a temporary fix after the
> >>inspection) last spring, and I almost prefer having white DRLs, seem to
> >>be less confusing IME.

> >
> >
> > Probably not legal. For some strange reason, the front turn signals
> > bulbs in my car are clear behind an amber lens (in the headlight
> > assembly). The rears are amber bulbs in a clear lens. The assemblies
> > are made by different manufacturers.

>
> Actually, it is. LOL, overengineered..?


FMVSS section 108:

<http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/12feb20041500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/octqtr/49cfr571.108.htm>

"TABLE IV-LOCATION OF REQUIRED EQUIPMENT
[All Passenger Cars and Motorcycles, and Multipurpose Passenger
Vehicles, Trucks, Trailers, and Buses of Less than 80 (2032)
Inches (MM) Overall Width]

**Turn signal lamps - Passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles,
trucks, trailers, and buses:
At or near the front-1 amber on each side of the vertical centerline,
at the same height, and as far apart as practicable.
On the rear-1 red or amber on each side of the vertical centerline,
at the same height, and as far apart as practicable."

Table III says the following, but says nothing about location per se:

"Turn signal lamps 2 red or amber; 2 amber"

My reading of European regulations is that currently, rear turn signals
must be amber.

> BTW, saw a new Saab wagon with white taillight lenses today driving home
> in the rain. The light was weird, kind of blurry, like it was filtered
> somehow. The side markers were red LEDs though...


Saw a Saab 9-2X - nicknamed the "Saabaru". Had a combination of white
openings through a mostly red lens. Didn't see it on though.

  #35  
Old July 15th 05, 07:47 PM
y_p_w
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, y_p_w wrote:


> > For some strange reason, the front turn signals bulbs in my car are
> > clear behind an amber lens (in the headlight assembly).

>
> Makes it harder for ricer types to substitute blue.


Make me wonder why not the same for the rear.....

> > I've seen some "color covers". I know - "halfassed ****". Might
> > even burn?

>
> Yep, and they don't let through enough light.
>
> > Well - I did get some clear (Sylvania packaged) 7440 and 7443 bulbs
> > as spares. I can't quite figure out why they're not packaged (in
> > pairs) in a way to keep the bulbs from banging into each other.

>
> We've run into that a lot with Osram/Sylvania stuff in the last few
> years.


The bulbs were slightly scratched. Should be OK I think.

  #36  
Old July 15th 05, 08:01 PM
Daniel J. Stern
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, y_p_w wrote:

> FMVSS section 108:


> **Turn signal lamps - Passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles,
> trucks, trailers, and buses:
> At or near the front-1 amber on each side of the vertical centerline,
> at the same height, and as far apart as practicable.
> On the rear-1 red or amber on each side of the vertical centerline,
> at the same height, and as far apart as practicable."
>
> Table III says the following, but says nothing about location per se:
>
> "Turn signal lamps 2 red or amber; 2 amber"


That Table III is, like much of FMVSS108, tough to read. "2 red or amber"
applies to the rear, "2 amber" applies to the front.

> My reading of European regulations is that currently, rear turn signals
> must be amber.


All regulations worldwide except North American ones require amber turn
signals at all four corners. Have for decades. ECE R48, ADR, JIS, etc.

> Saw a Saab 9-2X - nicknamed the "Saabaru". Had a combination of white
> openings through a mostly red lens. Didn't see it on though.


Amber.


  #37  
Old July 15th 05, 08:02 PM
Daniel J. Stern
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, y_p_w wrote:

> > > For some strange reason, the front turn signals bulbs in my car are
> > > clear behind an amber lens (in the headlight assembly).


> > Makes it harder for ricer types to substitute blue.


> Make me wonder why not the same for the rear.....


Oh...I wasn't saying that's necessarily why they did it, just that is one
of the effects of that type of construction.

  #38  
Old July 15th 05, 08:47 PM
N8N
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default



Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, N8N wrote:
>
> > > Works very well on lenses, probably works OK on low-heat bulbs.
> > > http://dastern.torque.net/lampics/selyel.html

> >
> > Would an 1157 or similar qualify do you think?

>
> Can't say for sure.
>
> > who was a POR-15 dealer, I can see if he has a little I can borrow to
> > experiment with.

>
> Half-and-half "14K Gold" and "Afterburner Orange" ought to produce a
> half-decent amber.
>
> > I *don't* want to color the lenses, those are also rare and expensive
> > (and plastic to boot.)

>
> Still ain't seen e-mail from you...if one comes in, I'll respond with
> other suggestions that don't involve painting anything.


Honestly, I haven't been home in several days so I haven't had access
to my pictures. The girlie lives a lot closer to my new office than I
do; I've been known to impose on her when I have an early AM meeting.

nate

  #39  
Old July 17th 05, 11:15 AM
Ulf
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

y_p_w wrote:
> Ulf wrote:
>
>>y_p_w wrote:
>>
>>>Ulf wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Nate Nagel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Is there any legitimate method for turning a clear glass bulb into an
>>>>>amber one? I'm not nuts about the lack of contrast between the turn
>>>>>signals and headlights, but I'm also not prepared to modify the very
>>>>>rare and expensive parking light housings with a different socket...
>>>>
>>>>Actually, white parking lights/turn signals work pretty good, at least
>>>>as long as they're not too close to the headlights. I put clear turn
>>>>signal/parking/DRL bulbs on my Camaro (as a temporary fix after the
>>>>inspection) last spring, and I almost prefer having white DRLs, seem to
>>>>be less confusing IME.
>>>
>>>
>>>Probably not legal. For some strange reason, the front turn signals
>>>bulbs in my car are clear behind an amber lens (in the headlight
>>>assembly). The rears are amber bulbs in a clear lens. The assemblies
>>>are made by different manufacturers.

>>
>>Actually, it is. LOL, overengineered..?

>
>
> FMVSS section 108:
>
> <http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/12feb20041500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2004/octqtr/49cfr571.108.htm>
>
> "TABLE IV-LOCATION OF REQUIRED EQUIPMENT
> [All Passenger Cars and Motorcycles, and Multipurpose Passenger
> Vehicles, Trucks, Trailers, and Buses of Less than 80 (2032)
> Inches (MM) Overall Width]
>
> **Turn signal lamps - Passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles,
> trucks, trailers, and buses:
> At or near the front-1 amber on each side of the vertical centerline,
> at the same height, and as far apart as practicable.
> On the rear-1 red or amber on each side of the vertical centerline,
> at the same height, and as far apart as practicable."
>
> Table III says the following, but says nothing about location per se:
>
> "Turn signal lamps 2 red or amber; 2 amber"
>
> My reading of European regulations is that currently, rear turn signals
> must be amber.


Okay, but I can legally have white or amber front, and red or amber
rear, turn signals.

>
>
>>BTW, saw a new Saab wagon with white taillight lenses today driving home
>>in the rain. The light was weird, kind of blurry, like it was filtered
>>somehow. The side markers were red LEDs though...

>
>
> Saw a Saab 9-2X - nicknamed the "Saabaru". Had a combination of white
> openings through a mostly red lens. Didn't see it on though.


It was the 9-3 wagon I saw.

http://www.edmunds.com/future/2006/s...8/photos.html#

>

Ulf
  #40  
Old July 17th 05, 11:18 AM
Ulf
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005, Ulf wrote:
>
>
>>There's also a product called "Color Chrome", or something like that. I
>>thought about buying a can and color the lights on my BMW a little. I'm
>>not sure if it works on bulbs, or only lenses, but it might be worth a
>>try.

>
>
> Works very well on lenses, probably works OK on low-heat bulbs.
> http://dastern.torque.net/lampics/selyel.html


Nice, that's exactly what I was planning to do!

>
>

Ulf
 




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Paging Daniel Stern - amber turn signals y_p_w Driving 63 July 21st 05 07:26 PM
Brighter signals for daytime (paging Daniel Stern...) Ad absurdum per aspera Technology 1 May 25th 05 11:38 PM
'991 Plymouth Acclaim - Turn signals NewarkShark Chrysler 6 February 20th 05 01:51 AM
'91 Plymouth Acclaim - turn signals stopped working NewarkShark Technology 6 February 20th 05 12:37 AM
Turn Signals, Sometimes will not blink. Sleepy Joe VW air cooled 7 October 14th 04 10:44 PM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:21 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004-2024 AutoBanter.
The comments are property of their posters.