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  #11  
Old May 31st 05, 03:37 AM
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 17:24:34 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> When I was riding my street motorcycle it got a whole lot quieter when I
> got a full-face helmet with close-fitting padding, and I had nice legal
> Suzuki GS550 mufflers. It actually never occurred to me to wear earplugs
> because I want to hear as much outside noise as I can. I hate driving a
> car when I can't keep the driver's window open a smidge.


Maybe you should have tried it. Like most other riders I know from my own
experience that you hear outside noise like sirens and even cars better
when you have earplugs that block the white-noise-like hissing air creates
on any helmet. White noise blocks other sounds, which is why you hear
better when you get earplugs that block the white noise.

Chris
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Old May 31st 05, 04:17 AM
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"C.H." wrote:
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> On Mon, 30 May 2005 17:24:34 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
> > When I was riding my street motorcycle it got a whole lot quieter when I
> > got a full-face helmet with close-fitting padding, and I had nice legal
> > Suzuki GS550 mufflers. It actually never occurred to me to wear earplugs
> > because I want to hear as much outside noise as I can. I hate driving a
> > car when I can't keep the driver's window open a smidge.

>
> Maybe you should have tried it. Like most other riders I know from my own
> experience that you hear outside noise like sirens and even cars better
> when you have earplugs that block the white-noise-like hissing air creates
> on any helmet. White noise blocks other sounds, which is why you hear
> better when you get earplugs that block the white noise.


Do you recommend any brands, or are the disposable things that look like
cigarette filters good enough?

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Old May 31st 05, 06:08 AM
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On Mon, 30 May 2005 20:17:30 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:

> "C.H." wrote:


>> Maybe you should have tried it. Like most other riders I know from my
>> own experience that you hear outside noise like sirens and even cars
>> better when you have earplugs that block the white-noise-like hissing
>> air creates on any helmet. White noise blocks other sounds, which is why
>> you hear better when you get earplugs that block the white noise.

>
> Do you recommend any brands, or are the disposable things that look like
> cigarette filters good enough?


For me the 'cigarette filter' style (foam that you compress and put in
your ear and that expand to fit) work fine. I also tried a few pre-formed
ones, including these little tree like looking things. Uncomfortable, to
say the least. Every ear is different, just try some and find out which
ones are best for you.

Chris
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Old June 1st 05, 06:38 PM
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"C.H." > wrote in message
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> On Mon, 30 May 2005 20:17:30 -0700, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> "C.H." wrote:

>
>>> Maybe you should have tried it. Like most other riders I know from my
>>> own experience that you hear outside noise like sirens and even cars
>>> better when you have earplugs that block the white-noise-like hissing
>>> air creates on any helmet. White noise blocks other sounds, which is why
>>> you hear better when you get earplugs that block the white noise.

>>
>> Do you recommend any brands, or are the disposable things that look like
>> cigarette filters good enough?

>
> For me the 'cigarette filter' style (foam that you compress and put in
> your ear and that expand to fit) work fine. I also tried a few pre-formed
> ones, including these little tree like looking things. Uncomfortable, to
> say the least. Every ear is different, just try some and find out which
> ones are best for you.


Any earplug is useless unless inserted properly. Almost everyone I know who
has worn earplugs just shoved them in, hoped for the best, then complained
about their ineffectiveness.

Read the label!!


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Old June 2nd 05, 03:50 AM
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Doug Warner wrote:

> Running loud pipes at night is the same as farting in elevators.


Does that mean that it's socially acceptable to fart in elevators during
the day then?
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Old June 2nd 05, 08:17 PM
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On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:22:33 -0700, Scott en Aztlán wrote:

> On Sun, 29 May 2005 20:36:22 -0700, "C.H." > wrote:
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>>Please report back, chances are they are wearing earplugs. I don't tell
>>every friend I wear earplugs either, but I still do.

>
> All right, I spoke with my motorcycle-riding friend today.
>
> He says he never wears earplugs, has never worn earplugs, and doesn't know
> of anybody who does.


Then you better go talk with him again if you are a real friend. Riding
without ear plugs leads to long-term hearing loss and is a big safety
no-no because you have trouble hearing sirens and the engines of other
vehicles.

> I asked him if there was a lot of wind noise and he said no, the
> helmet is thickly padded and seals pretty tightly around his head, so he
> has no particular problems with wind noise.


So he already is suffering from massive hearing loss. Countless helmet
tests have proven that there is no helmet that does not produce massive
wind noise. Unless of course his idea of riding is puttering around town.

> FWIW, my friend rides a Honda with a stock exhaust, not a Harley with
> straight pipes.


Again, Scott, I suggest you go try it yourself. The pipes are not what you
are hearing when you are riding without earplugs. The fact that you have a
friend, who is not very smart about his health, doesn't change that.

Of the riding group (100+ riders) I ride with sometimes, at least 3/4 wear
earplugs, simply because they know it is beneficial both for your long
term and short term health.

Chris
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Old June 2nd 05, 08:50 PM
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Arif Khokar > writes:
> Doug Warner wrote:
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> > Running loud pipes at night is the same as farting in elevators.

>
> Does that mean that it's socially acceptable to fart in elevators
> during the day then?


Only when wearing (ear)plugs.

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Old June 3rd 05, 08:04 PM
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On Fri, 03 Jun 2005 07:24:17 -0700, Scott en Aztlán wrote:

> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:17:22 -0700, "C.H." > wrote:
>
>>Then you better go talk with him again if you are a real friend. Riding
>>without ear plugs leads to long-term hearing loss and is a big safety
>>no-no because you have trouble hearing sirens and the engines of other
>>vehicles.

>
> I'll forward him a copy of your post. I'm sure he'll be touched by your
> concern.


I rather doubt that. Self-styled hardasses like that rarely are touched by
anything.

>>> I asked him if there was a lot of wind noise and he said no, the helmet
>>> is thickly padded and seals pretty tightly around his head, so he has
>>> no particular problems with wind noise.

>>
>>So he already is suffering from massive hearing loss.

>
> Not that I can detect.


If he is unable to hear the wind noise his helmet creates he _is_
suffering from hearing loss, whether you can detect it or not. Or maybe he
is just driving a Vespa, where wind noise is not an issue due to lack of
top speed

>>Of the riding group (100+ riders) I ride with sometimes, at least 3/4
>>wear earplugs, simply because they know it is beneficial both for your
>>long term and short term health.

>
> Well, I guess your anecdotal evidence trumps my anecdotal evidence. I
> hereby declare you the winner.


You may see discussions on usenet as fights, where winning is the
objective. I do not.

Chris
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Old June 3rd 05, 08:33 PM
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Makes a lot of sense the way it is written. Before complaining you
should read ALL of the statute.

As a separate issue, the legislature should also control the noise
level produced by all vehicles. Motorcycles are the obvious first
choice, but diesel powered trucks are another. Some american made
diesel powered pickup trucks are as loud as a semi.

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Old June 4th 05, 12:52 AM
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Scott en Aztl=E1n wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:17:22 -0700, "C.H." >
> wrote:
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> >On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 20:22:33 -0700, Scott en Aztl=E1n wrote:

>
> >> I asked him if there was a lot of wind noise and he said no, the
> >> helmet is thickly padded and seals pretty tightly around his head, so =

he
> >> has no particular problems with wind noise.

> >
> >So he already is suffering from massive hearing loss.

>
> Not that I can detect.


I rode for a while too - a sport bike - and wore a full-face helmet
that fit fairly snugly.

I never had any problems with wind noise at highway speeds, but there
was *some* wind noise. No more than in some of the cars I've driven.

I have no hearing loss, and rode for several years.

Gosh, maybe Chris doesn't have all the answers.

E=2EP.

 




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