Overfilled Oil

"Oliver B. Lafferty" > wrote in message
...
<SNIP>
> Changing oil is not a big deal and is cheaper, quicker and safer than
> having a mentally challenged garage helper do it.
>
Cheaper? I pay about 20 bucks - How much cheaper can it be to buy the ****
to do it myself?
Quicker? It takes them about 20 minutes. How much faster could I do it
myself?
Safer? How much safer would it be for me to get under there myself?
Mentally challenged? Some of them are, of course. Most have just as much
mechanical ability as you! You're right, changing oil is no big deal, but
look at the real world. Lots of folks are stuck with street parking, no
knowledge, and no tools. Some pay because they have to; some pay because of
convenience. I pay to have it done but before I drive away, I do a quick
check to make sure I still have a dipstick, an oil cap, and to see that they
"did" change the filter and other things they were supposed to do.

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 07:21:01 -0600, "George" >
wrote:

>convenience. I pay to have it done but before I drive away, I do a quick
>check to make sure I still have a dipstick, an oil cap, and to see that they
>"did" change the filter and other things they were supposed to do.
>


If you're going through that much trouble to second guess their work
then you'd be better off doing it yourself then you would know that
the above mentioned items would still be there.

In the long term.. less stress on your part having people handle your
vehicle.

If you have to go through those checks when they simply do an oil
change then obviously you don't trust the mechanics you bring your
vehicle to. Go to another garage

On Sun, 19 Dec 2004 07:21:01 -0600, "George" >
wrote:

>
>"Oliver B. Lafferty" > wrote in message
...
><SNIP>
>> Changing oil is not a big deal and is cheaper, quicker and safer than
>> having a mentally challenged garage helper do it.
>>
>Cheaper? I pay about 20 bucks - How much cheaper can it be to buy the ****
>to do it myself?
>Quicker? It takes them about 20 minutes. How much faster could I do it
>myself?
>Safer? How much safer would it be for me to get under there myself?
>Mentally challenged? Some of them are, of course. Most have just as much
>mechanical ability as you! You're right, changing oil is no big deal, but
>look at the real world. Lots of folks are stuck with street parking, no
>knowledge, and no tools. Some pay because they have to; some pay because of
>convenience. I pay to have it done but before I drive away, I do a quick
>check to make sure I still have a dipstick, an oil cap, and to see that they
>"did" change the filter and other things they were supposed to do.
>
LOL,
It is -30C this morning. On such a day it is ALWAYS safer to get
someone else to do it.
An oil change is much more than the crankcase. They change the
filter, grease the chassis, check the oil in the pumpkins. They have
a hoist so they can take the pressure off the ball joints so they can
be filled.
All this takes more than 20 minutes for me (in my gravel driveway) and
we have 3 trucks.
At 52 years old I can think of some things I would have others do.
Oil changes and exhaust systems comes to mind. I have to save huge
sheets of cardboard to lay under the truck on and they don't

Merry Christmas one and all.
Gordie

--
Best Regards
Gordie

Different engines exhibit different degrees of sensitivity to oil
overfill. My one data point regarding the 4.3 as installed in the
S10-based Blazer is that it's not too crabby about it. At the other
extreme would be the 4AFE in my mother's Corolla, which emits a faint
but distinct "hey, lemme outta here!" noise at idle (goes away with any
noticeable revs) if you put in a bit too much oil.

Note that if you replace oil by lining up the empties rather than by
dipstick measurement, there *is* going to be some error unless you
carefully let all the oil drain down through the engine and then into
the drip pan.

Being in a hurry or doing it on a surface that slopes in the wrong
direction -- common sins of Lube'n'Leave and of do-it-yourselfers,
respectively -- are pretty much guaranteed to leave some ounces of old
oil in there. This is worsened, of course, by car-manufacturer brain
trusts who choose not to design oil pans such that a change with new
filter consumes an integral number of quart bottles, as it usually did
in days of old.

Anyway, I'm with the fellow who advised loosening the plug enough to
let several ounces trickle out and then tightening it back, adding more
to achieve a level no higher than the hashmarked "normal" range of the
dipstick.

Cheers,
--Joe

The real problem is people don't develop a relationship with a garage, they
don't get to know a shop. They take it to some oil change joint for that
and pay too much, another place for ac and yet another when it isn't
running right. and more than likely never the same place twice in a row.

I dont change oil. I have a shop that does that for me, I've known the
owner for 10 years plus. He's the only one that has touched my truck besides
myself. I bring him the oil and filter, walk across the street to the
dinner, have breakfast, bring him back a cup of coffee and a bagal, pay him
$20 and drive away. I buy the oil by the case and enough oil filters to go
with it. Grab a couple sets of wiper blades(Florida sun is hell on blades),
and couple air filters at the same time. Every third oil change he rotates
and balances tires and checks the alignment, and does a brake inspection.

The alternative is drag out jack stands and jack, crawl under, drain,
replace filter, shake front end down and lube, check u-joints, check diff
lube level. Get it off the jack stands, fill the crank, check the power
steering fluid, check the tranny fluid. drain the drain pan into a
container of some kind, clean the pan, and other tools used, put everything
away. Wash hands, change out of old clothes worn. And then find some place
to get rid of the old oil. Still have to take it some place for the rotate,
balance and alignment check.

Whiteightning

"The Nolalu Barn Owl"
> LOL,
> It is -30C this morning. On such a day it is ALWAYS safer to get
> someone else to do it.
> An oil change is much more than the crankcase. They change the
> filter, grease the chassis, check the oil in the pumpkins. They have
> a hoist so they can take the pressure off the ball joints so they can
> be filled.

Most of the oil change places use a basement "pit" as opposed to a hoist
though.

Also how many of them wipe the grease nipples before applying the grease
gun.
usually they just jamb it on and pump sandy gritty grease into the ball
joint.
I once asked the guy in the pit to wipe each nipple before greasing and he
looked at me like I was insane.

B

Ken Weitzel > wrote in article
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>
> johanb wrote:
> > "Spiderman" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >
> >>
> >>Hmmm....I wonder who's right? The Doc (leave it alone) or Lg (dump the
> >
> > oil)?
> >
> >>
> >
> > I hope for you it is "doc"
> >
> > Or you can just take it out / have it taken out and spend a $ 19.95 on
a oil
> > change
> >
> > Or a couple of thousand on a motor
> >
> > You do the math..............
> >
> > Johan
>
> Hi...
>
> Maybe I'm over-simplifying... but the oil's new; why replace it?
>
> Why not just loosen the plug and let a bit out? Heck,
> clean the drain pan thoroughly first and save what you remove
> for a top-up.
>
> Course I am from the waste not want not generation
>
> Ken

I overfilled mine once, by 1/2 quart, and just loostened the plug and let
1/2 qt out like you said. BUT I wouldnt think of reusing it, in case it
picked up and particles on the outside of the oil pan.

Sure, the motor might be $2000, but putting the damn thing in is probably
$5000 in that newfangled pice of s*it car. Thank got my 81 and 85 trucks
arent that way.


>
>

They have those for cars too, but I have never used one in the whole 30
years that I have been changing oil. You dont even need ramps to drain most
trucks, so i could drain 1/2 quart from mine in about 1 1/2 minuits max
after I find my wrench.

wrote in article
>...
> Personally, I'd just climb underneath and let some of the extra oil out.
But, if
> you have an aversion to getting under there and making a mess, there may
be a
> simpler solution....
>
> To change the oil in my inboard-outboard boat, I pump it out through the
> dipstick. That's the way it's done in boats. So, you could drop by your
local
> boating store and pick up a pump for $20 or less. Pump the extra
half-quart out
> and save it for later. No mess, and you'll have a handly little pump left
over
> that you can use for something else in the future. Personally, I've never
done
> this on an automobile, so take this advice with a grain of salt.... Just
make
> sure the tubing used on the pump will fit into your dipstick tube.
>
>
>
> In article >, Spiderman says...
> >
> >I think the shop slightly overfilled my oil crankcase at the last oil
change
> >on my 1989 Chevy S10 Blazer 4.3L 4x4....the dipstick is reading "off the

> >charts" and when I'm parked I get a small drip of very watery brown
fluid (I
> >assume it's overfrothed oil) under the engine compartment. The fluid is
not
> >warm and is very watery so I don't believe this fluid has been thru the
> >engine. Can a slightly overfilled crankcase cause any permanent damage?
I
> >assume the excess will just drip out?
> >
> >
>
>

Just change the filter, there goes 1/2 to 1 quart.
KenG

Tim Kett wrote:
> Ken Weitzel > wrote in article
> <%mMwd.537369$%k.220965@pd7tw2no>...
>
>>
>>johanb wrote:
>>
>>>"Spiderman" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hmmm....I wonder who's right? The Doc (leave it alone) or Lg (dump the
>>>
>>>oil)?
>>>
>>>
>>>I hope for you it is "doc"
>>>
>>>Or you can just take it out / have it taken out and spend a $ 19.95 on
>
> a oil
>
>>>change
>>>
>>>Or a couple of thousand on a motor
>>>
>>>You do the math..............
>>>
>>>Johan
>>
>>Hi...
>>
>>Maybe I'm over-simplifying... but the oil's new; why replace it?
>>
>>Why not just loosen the plug and let a bit out? Heck,
>>clean the drain pan thoroughly first and save what you remove
>>for a top-up.
>>
>>Course I am from the waste not want not generation
>>
>>Ken
>
>
> I overfilled mine once, by 1/2 quart, and just loostened the plug and let
> 1/2 qt out like you said. BUT I wouldnt think of reusing it, in case it
> picked up and particles on the outside of the oil pan.
>
> Sure, the motor might be $2000, but putting the damn thing in is probably
> $5000 in that newfangled pice of s*it car. Thank got my 81 and 85 trucks
> arent that way.
>
>
>
>>

"KENG" > wrote in message
...
> Just change the filter, there goes 1/2 to 1 quart.
> KenG
>
You might want to take the filter off and drain it, but I'd put the same
filter back on. They cost money ya know.

Brian