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Old January 11th 05, 01:48 AM
Max
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend a écrit :
> All the car loons think speed limits should be treated as "suggestions"
> and the driver free to do whatever speed he thinks he can handle.
> Should we take the same attitude wrt drunk-driving?
>


Perhaps so.

The .08 limit is pretty dumb, considering that driving only begins to be
affected around .12 BAC.

And the drivers that cause the accidents all have BAC's around .16 to
..25, and if you are at .25 you are really hammered and you'll know it.

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Old January 11th 05, 01:49 AM
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend a écrit :
> So you agree that you should be free to drive whatever speed you want
> and hell with the law?
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Tell me. If the law said "it's illegal for any citizen to be older than
45 years old, they must kill themselves first" would you do it?

if so, then get to it already!

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Old January 11th 05, 01:49 AM
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Laura Bush murdered her boy friend a écrit :
> So you agree that you should be free to drive whatever speed you want
> and hell with the law?
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Tell me. If the law said "it's illegal for any citizen to be older than
45 years old, they must kill themselves first" would you do it?

if so, then get to it already!

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Old January 11th 05, 02:06 AM
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>> All the car loons think speed limits should be treated as "suggestions"
>> and the driver free to do whatever speed he thinks he can handle.
>> Should we take the same attitude wrt drunk-driving?


> I can't believe I'm responding to you, but absolutely yes! Drivers should
> be judged on how much they are impaired, rather than an arbitrary numerical
> value. I guarantee you there are millions of people who are much more
> impaired at, say, .04% BAC than am I at the legal .08%.


I agree. Granted that this requires judgment on the part of the police
officer, most cop cars these days have video cameras, & I've seen them
show a jury just how badly the guy was driving before the officer made
the decision to pull him over. That's how it should be done.

Blood concentration is simply not a good predictor of impairment, and
breath measurements are even worse.

This "judgment call" method will become even more necessary once other
drugs are legalized. Some of them can be measured for weeks or months
after they've stopped having any effect on the person.
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Old January 11th 05, 02:06 AM
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>> All the car loons think speed limits should be treated as "suggestions"
>> and the driver free to do whatever speed he thinks he can handle.
>> Should we take the same attitude wrt drunk-driving?


> I can't believe I'm responding to you, but absolutely yes! Drivers should
> be judged on how much they are impaired, rather than an arbitrary numerical
> value. I guarantee you there are millions of people who are much more
> impaired at, say, .04% BAC than am I at the legal .08%.


I agree. Granted that this requires judgment on the part of the police
officer, most cop cars these days have video cameras, & I've seen them
show a jury just how badly the guy was driving before the officer made
the decision to pull him over. That's how it should be done.

Blood concentration is simply not a good predictor of impairment, and
breath measurements are even worse.

This "judgment call" method will become even more necessary once other
drugs are legalized. Some of them can be measured for weeks or months
after they've stopped having any effect on the person.
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Old January 11th 05, 04:29 AM
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In article >, C.H. wrote:
> Where did you get that number from? About every study about alcohol and
> driving I read mentioned that non-alcoholic drivers already are affected
> from .03%. They may still be able to steer the car properly but they take
> risks they would otherwise not take, situational awareness decreases
> sharply and the risk of causing an accident drastically increases.


How about a cite not MADD or similiar?

MADD and other orgs achieved their goals and are now pushing for a new
prohibition to continue their existance IMO.


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Old January 11th 05, 04:29 AM
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In article >, C.H. wrote:
> Where did you get that number from? About every study about alcohol and
> driving I read mentioned that non-alcoholic drivers already are affected
> from .03%. They may still be able to steer the car properly but they take
> risks they would otherwise not take, situational awareness decreases
> sharply and the risk of causing an accident drastically increases.


How about a cite not MADD or similiar?

MADD and other orgs achieved their goals and are now pushing for a new
prohibition to continue their existance IMO.


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Old January 11th 05, 05:44 AM
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
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>>>ParrotRob Jan 10, 3:43 pm
I can't believe I'm responding to you, but absolutely yes! Drivers
should
be judged on how much they are impaired, rather than an arbitrary
numerical
value. I guarantee you there are millions of people who are much more
impaired at, say, .04% BAC than am I at the legal .08%.


HAHAHA. Another one of these deadly DUIs who says "It's ok for me to do
it cause i actually drive better when i'm drunk." How many people have
you killed, psychopath.

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Old January 11th 05, 05:44 AM
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
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>>>ParrotRob Jan 10, 3:43 pm
I can't believe I'm responding to you, but absolutely yes! Drivers
should
be judged on how much they are impaired, rather than an arbitrary
numerical
value. I guarantee you there are millions of people who are much more
impaired at, say, .04% BAC than am I at the legal .08%.


HAHAHA. Another one of these deadly DUIs who says "It's ok for me to do
it cause i actually drive better when i'm drunk." How many people have
you killed, psychopath.

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Old January 11th 05, 05:50 AM
Laura Bush murdered her boy friend
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>>>John David Galt Jan 10, 5:06 pm
I agree. Granted that this requires judgment on the part of the police
officer, most cop cars these days have video cameras, & I've seen them
show a jury just how badly the guy was driving before the officer made
the decision to pull him over. That's how it should be done.


So you think DUI should be allowed unless the cop can prove the driver
is impaired. Do you also think heroin and cocaine possesion should be
allowed unless the cops can prove the user is a threat to society?

 




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