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Old January 19th 05, 08:44 PM
Percival P. Cassidy
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Default Chrysler 300 vs. Dodge Magnum?

I've seen 300s around here in W. Mich. but no Magnums. Out of
curiosity, are there any sales figures around for these? Are Magnums not
selling well?

Perce
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Old January 19th 05, 09:29 PM
Art
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I don't know the figures but wagons never sell as well as sedans, and if you
really need a wagon, the eye catching design of the Magnum reduces loading
room significantly. Thus the sedan version, Charger, is due out soon.


"Percival P. Cassidy" > wrote in message
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> I've seen 300s around here in W. Mich. but no Magnums. Out of curiosity,
> are there any sales figures around for these? Are Magnums not selling
> well?
>
> Perce



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Old January 21st 05, 01:54 AM
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I've seen about 5 here in NJ. They're really nice and I'm considering that
or the 300C.

I wish they made the Charger they were showing at one of the car shows
several years ago and not the one they're going to be offering.

Oh, well.

Ken


"Percival P. Cassidy" > wrote in message
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> I've seen 300s around here in W. Mich. but no Magnums. Out of
> curiosity, are there any sales figures around for these? Are Magnums not
> selling well?
>
> Perce



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Old January 22nd 05, 07:23 PM
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NJ Vike wrote:
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> I wish they made the Charger they were showing at one of the car
> shows several years ago and not the one they're going to be
> offering.


Tom Gale's Charger concept that was shown on the car show circuit in
1999. Yes, a great looking car and much better looking than the brick
that will be coming out.

Chrysler had a LOT of milage left in the LH platform (including RWD
capability) that the Daimler merger effectively took an axe to.

Truth is, we would have seen lots of new cars from Chrysler in 2002
had there been no interference from Daimler. And they would have been
great looking cars - not the "novelty" look as in the LX platform.

In the late 1990's, Chrysler was making serious progress in upscale
branding and image, but that was all flushed down the toilet when
Daimler took over. Chrysler was then relegated to making volume
models that maxed out at $30 to $35k so as not to compete with
Mercedes. Trouble is, Daimler cut off their nose to spite their
face. More upscale cars from Chrysler would have competed with Jap
cars more than Merc, and Chrysler could have stolen market share from,
say, Cadillac or Infinity with more classy Chrysler cars.

Chrysler, with the 300M, was looking at the export market in Europe.
Daimler would have NONE of that, and did absolutely NOTHING to help
the 300M to be marketed in Europe. The "in-your-face" typically
American style of the 300C garantees that there will be NO demand in
Europe for the LX cars, which is exactly what Daimler wants.
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Old January 23rd 05, 12:18 PM
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Sounds like Daimler is a little nervous ;-)

Is the new Charger still going to be made available? What about the 425 HP
engine? I guess if they do make it for the Charger then this might be an
option for the 300C?

I wonder if the Pacifica will get the Hemi soon. Seems like people here are
stating that the current engine doesn't provide enough power.


Ken


"MoPar Man" > wrote in message
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> Trouble is, Daimler cut off their nose to spite their
> face. More upscale cars from Chrysler would have competed with Jap
> cars more than Merc, and Chrysler could have stolen market share from,
> say, Cadillac or Infinity with more classy Chrysler cars.
>
> Chrysler, with the 300M, was looking at the export market in Europe.
> Daimler would have NONE of that, and did absolutely NOTHING to help
> the 300M to be marketed in Europe. The "in-your-face" typically
> American style of the 300C garantees that there will be NO demand in
> Europe for the LX cars, which is exactly what Daimler wants.



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Old January 23rd 05, 07:16 PM
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NJ Vike wrote:

> Sounds like Daimler is a little nervous ;-)
>
> Is the new Charger still going to be made available? What about the
> 425 HP engine? I guess if they do make it for the Charger then this
> might be an option for the 300C?


Daimler would rather NOT build the Charger. They DO NOT want to
create more cars for Dodge. Daimler is reacting to pressure from
Dodge dealers - they want an LX car under the Dodge badge.
Daimler-Chrysler won't admit it - the official story is that Dieter
Zeitche gave the new Charger a green light because his teen-age kids
thought the old Chargers were cool and Chrysler should bring them
back. What a load of **** (and even if it's true, it's still a load
of **** that some German kids have that much influence about the
direction of Chrysler's cars).

Daimler wants to move Dodge away from cars and use Dodge for mini-vans
and trucks. Cars are for Chrysler (really only 1 type of car - the
300 - with several different models - all visually similar on the
outside, the way a lot of Merc cars are).

Dodge dealers have not been happy with Daimler-Chrysler for the past 5
years. They could have sold a ton of Chargers starting in late 2001
based on the 1999 Charger concept if Daimler had let them.
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Old January 24th 05, 12:25 AM
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"MoPar Man" > wrote in message
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> NJ Vike wrote:
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> Chrysler had a LOT of milage left in the LH platform (including RWD
> capability) that the Daimler merger effectively took an axe to.


I agree. Shameful to put the axe to it!

>
> Truth is, we would have seen lots of new cars from Chrysler in 2002
> had there been no interference from Daimler. And they would have been
> great looking cars - not the "novelty" look as in the LX platform.
>


Chrysler/Dodge had (past tense) the best looking cars on the
road...bar-none! Most apparently gone now! The Benz's have always been
ugly. Guess they can't have their "low-end" sister company putting out
nicer looking cars than their "high-end" line. Typical. Dumb down the look
of one instead of improving the look of the other. <sigh>


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Old January 24th 05, 12:34 AM
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"MoPar Man" > wrote in message
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> NJ Vike wrote:
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>> Sounds like Daimler is a little nervous ;-)
>>
>> Is the new Charger still going to be made available? What about the
>> 425 HP engine? I guess if they do make it for the Charger then this
>> might be an option for the 300C?

>
> Daimler would rather NOT build the Charger. They DO NOT want to
> create more cars for Dodge. Daimler is reacting to pressure from
> Dodge dealers - they want an LX car under the Dodge badge.
> Daimler-Chrysler won't admit it - the official story is that Dieter
> Zeitche gave the new Charger a green light because his teen-age kids
> thought the old Chargers were cool and Chrysler should bring them
> back.


Perhaps Mr. Zeitche should look at the sales numbers for the Pontiac GTO. A
miserable failure by even the most optomistic accounts.

> What a load of **** (and even if it's true, it's still a load
> of **** that some German kids have that much influence about the
> direction of Chrysler's cars).


When the German's own it, it's their football! Sad as that may be!

>
> Daimler wants to move Dodge away from cars and use Dodge for mini-vans
> and trucks. Cars are for Chrysler (really only 1 type of car - the
> 300 - with several different models - all visually similar on the
> outside, the way a lot of Merc cars are).


Toyota didn't build market share by comressing it's offerings. Look at how
many very different models of vehicles they sell!

>
> Dodge dealers have not been happy with Daimler-Chrysler for the past 5
> years. They could have sold a ton of Chargers starting in late 2001
> based on the 1999 Charger concept if Daimler had let them.


Possible...if that 1999 design kept true to the Charger heritage. People
that buy "heritage" cars (like the GTO, Mustang, Charger, etc.) are looking,
in part, for the car to "look" like it's namesake. The current 4-door
"sedan" model certainly doesn't scream "I am a Charger"! The Mustang sells
because it's unmistakably a Mustang (from all angles). The GTO doesn't sell
because it looks like a plain run-of-the-mill Pontiac.






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Old January 24th 05, 12:55 AM
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That's called family resemblance. Not confined to Mercedes.

A C-Class and an S-Class are still different cars, for example, as are 3 and
7-series BMWs... Or are you suggesting they are not?

If you don't like a Merc for any reason, buy something else, etc.

What's the gripe?

DAS
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Old January 24th 05, 01:00 AM
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A bold assertion. Purely a matter of opinion, don't you think?

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> The Benz's have always been ugly.


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