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  #1  
Old April 2nd 06, 04:24 PM posted to alt.autos.dodge
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Default 94 Shadow will not start

I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine up till
Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and when she came
out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:

When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns off as it
should when you turn the key, but no click of the soloniod or noise
from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery and no change.
I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the lights did
not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.

I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the same, no
starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the Ignition Time
Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the fuse box that
had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse in thee for
the engine?)

I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor may have a
problem, no change.

Any ideas?

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Old April 3rd 06, 03:17 PM posted to alt.autos.dodge
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Default 94 Shadow will not start


Bill H wrote:
> I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine up till
> Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and when she came
> out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:
>
> When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns off as it
> should when you turn the key, but no click of the soloniod or noise
> from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery and no change.
> I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the lights did
> not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.
>
> I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the same, no
> starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the Ignition Time
> Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the fuse box that
> had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse in thee for
> the engine?)
>
> I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor may have a
> problem, no change.
>
> Any ideas?


Anyone have any thoughts on this? Where to check next?

  #3  
Old April 3rd 06, 05:52 PM posted to alt.autos.dodge
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Default 94 Shadow will not start



--

"Bill H" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine up till
> Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and when she came
> out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:
>
> When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns off as it
> should when you turn the key, but no click of the soloniod or noise
> from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery and no change.
> I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the lights did
> not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.
>
> I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the same, no
> starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the Ignition Time
> Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the fuse box that
> had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse in thee for
> the engine?)
>
> I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor may have a
> problem, no change.
>
> Any ideas?
>

Ok you say she parked it, we don't know if its an automatic trans or manual
trans. If it is an auto you may want to see if she hit a curb and knocked
off the Neutral safety switch connector at the front of the trans.
Other then that you gotta start at the starter, check 12 volts at the back
of the starter (red wire) and as someone cranks the engine check 12 volts at
the brown solenoid wire.
If you were to make a quick test you can disconnect the starter relay at the
fender and jump the brown wire to battery battery voltage.

Be careful doing this, make sure the vehicle is in park/neutral emergency
brake on because it bypasses that safety switches.

--
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech


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Old April 3rd 06, 06:05 PM posted to alt.autos.dodge
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Default 94 Shadow will not start



--

"Bill H" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> maxpower wrote:
> > --
> >
> > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > > I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine up till
> > > Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and when she came
> > > out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:
> > >
> > > When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns off as it
> > > should when you turn the key, but no click of the soloniod or noise
> > > from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery and no change.
> > > I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the lights did
> > > not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.
> > >
> > > I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the same, no
> > > starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the Ignition Time
> > > Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the fuse box

that
> > > had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse in thee for
> > > the engine?)
> > >
> > > I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor may have a
> > > problem, no change.
> > >
> > > Any ideas?
> > >

> > Ok you say she parked it, we don't know if its an automatic trans or

manual
> > trans. If it is an auto you may want to see if she hit a curb and

knocked
> > off the Neutral safety switch connector at the front of the trans.
> > Other then that you gotta start at the starter, check 12 volts at the

back
> > of the starter (red wire) and as someone cranks the engine check 12

volts at
> > the brown solenoid wire.
> > If you were to make a quick test you can disconnect the starter relay at

the
> > fender and jump the brown wire to battery battery voltage.
> >
> > Be careful doing this, make sure the vehicle is in park/neutral

emergency
> > brake on because it bypasses that safety switches.
> >
> > --
> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech

>
> Thanks for answering. It is an automatic and it is possible that she
> hit it. Where she was parked is a low sidewalk instead of a curb. Just
> did a quick look and don't see anything knocked off, will have to look
> closer. Can the neutral switch be bypassed to check if it is damaged?
>
> I need to pick up a manual on this car showing the electronic schematic
> (unless it is available online somewhere) so I can see what parts are
> involved in starting the car.
>

ummmmm... did you read the second part I wrote about by passing the switch??


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Old April 3rd 06, 06:10 PM posted to alt.autos.dodge
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Default 94 Shadow will not start


maxpower wrote:
> --
>
> "Bill H" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > maxpower wrote:
> > > --
> > >
> > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > > oups.com...
> > > > I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine up till
> > > > Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and when she came
> > > > out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:
> > > >
> > > > When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns off as it
> > > > should when you turn the key, but no click of the soloniod or noise
> > > > from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery and no change.
> > > > I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the lights did
> > > > not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.
> > > >
> > > > I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the same, no
> > > > starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the Ignition Time
> > > > Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the fuse box

> that
> > > > had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse in thee for
> > > > the engine?)
> > > >
> > > > I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor may have a
> > > > problem, no change.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > Ok you say she parked it, we don't know if its an automatic trans or

> manual
> > > trans. If it is an auto you may want to see if she hit a curb and

> knocked
> > > off the Neutral safety switch connector at the front of the trans.
> > > Other then that you gotta start at the starter, check 12 volts at the

> back
> > > of the starter (red wire) and as someone cranks the engine check 12

> volts at
> > > the brown solenoid wire.
> > > If you were to make a quick test you can disconnect the starter relay at

> the
> > > fender and jump the brown wire to battery battery voltage.
> > >
> > > Be careful doing this, make sure the vehicle is in park/neutral

> emergency
> > > brake on because it bypasses that safety switches.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Glenn Beasley
> > > Chrysler Tech

> >
> > Thanks for answering. It is an automatic and it is possible that she
> > hit it. Where she was parked is a low sidewalk instead of a curb. Just
> > did a quick look and don't see anything knocked off, will have to look
> > closer. Can the neutral switch be bypassed to check if it is damaged?
> >
> > I need to pick up a manual on this car showing the electronic schematic
> > (unless it is available online somewhere) so I can see what parts are
> > involved in starting the car.
> >

> ummmmm... did you read the second part I wrote about by passing the switch??


Sorry - you mean the starter relay next to the battery will let me
bypass the neutral switch?

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Old April 3rd 06, 07:31 PM posted to alt.autos.dodge
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"Bill H" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> maxpower wrote:
> > --
> >
> > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > >
> > > maxpower wrote:
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > > > oups.com...
> > > > > I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine up till
> > > > > Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and when she

came
> > > > > out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:
> > > > >
> > > > > When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns off as it
> > > > > should when you turn the key, but no click of the soloniod or

noise
> > > > > from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery and no

change.
> > > > > I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the lights

did
> > > > > not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.
> > > > >
> > > > > I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the same, no
> > > > > starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the Ignition

Time
> > > > > Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the fuse box

> > that
> > > > > had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse in thee

for
> > > > > the engine?)
> > > > >
> > > > > I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor may have

a
> > > > > problem, no change.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > >
> > > > Ok you say she parked it, we don't know if its an automatic trans or

> > manual
> > > > trans. If it is an auto you may want to see if she hit a curb and

> > knocked
> > > > off the Neutral safety switch connector at the front of the trans.
> > > > Other then that you gotta start at the starter, check 12 volts at

the
> > back
> > > > of the starter (red wire) and as someone cranks the engine check 12

> > volts at
> > > > the brown solenoid wire.
> > > > If you were to make a quick test you can disconnect the starter

relay at
> > the
> > > > fender and jump the brown wire to battery battery voltage.
> > > >
> > > > Be careful doing this, make sure the vehicle is in park/neutral

> > emergency
> > > > brake on because it bypasses that safety switches.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Glenn Beasley
> > > > Chrysler Tech
> > >
> > > Thanks for answering. It is an automatic and it is possible that she
> > > hit it. Where she was parked is a low sidewalk instead of a curb. Just
> > > did a quick look and don't see anything knocked off, will have to look
> > > closer. Can the neutral switch be bypassed to check if it is damaged?
> > >
> > > I need to pick up a manual on this car showing the electronic

schematic
> > > (unless it is available online somewhere) so I can see what parts are
> > > involved in starting the car.
> > >

> > ummmmm... did you read the second part I wrote about by passing the

switch??
>
> Sorry - you mean the starter relay next to the battery will let me
> bypass the neutral switch?
>

yes one of them, that vehicle is 12 years old, I cant remember what other
relays are there. if you have no idea what im talking about I would not jump
it.

--
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech


  #7  
Old April 3rd 06, 07:44 PM posted to alt.autos.dodge
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Default 94 Shadow will not start


maxpower wrote:
> "Bill H" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > maxpower wrote:
> > > --
> > >
> > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > > oups.com...
> > > >
> > > > maxpower wrote:
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > > > > oups.com...
> > > > > > I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine up till
> > > > > > Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and when she

> came
> > > > > > out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns off as it
> > > > > > should when you turn the key, but no click of the soloniod or

> noise
> > > > > > from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery and no

> change.
> > > > > > I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the lights

> did
> > > > > > not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the same, no
> > > > > > starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the Ignition

> Time
> > > > > > Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the fuse box
> > > that
> > > > > > had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse in thee

> for
> > > > > > the engine?)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor may have

> a
> > > > > > problem, no change.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > >
> > > > > Ok you say she parked it, we don't know if its an automatic trans or
> > > manual
> > > > > trans. If it is an auto you may want to see if she hit a curb and
> > > knocked
> > > > > off the Neutral safety switch connector at the front of the trans.
> > > > > Other then that you gotta start at the starter, check 12 volts at

> the
> > > back
> > > > > of the starter (red wire) and as someone cranks the engine check 12
> > > volts at
> > > > > the brown solenoid wire.
> > > > > If you were to make a quick test you can disconnect the starter

> relay at
> > > the
> > > > > fender and jump the brown wire to battery battery voltage.
> > > > >
> > > > > Be careful doing this, make sure the vehicle is in park/neutral
> > > emergency
> > > > > brake on because it bypasses that safety switches.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Glenn Beasley
> > > > > Chrysler Tech
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for answering. It is an automatic and it is possible that she
> > > > hit it. Where she was parked is a low sidewalk instead of a curb. Just
> > > > did a quick look and don't see anything knocked off, will have to look
> > > > closer. Can the neutral switch be bypassed to check if it is damaged?
> > > >
> > > > I need to pick up a manual on this car showing the electronic

> schematic
> > > > (unless it is available online somewhere) so I can see what parts are
> > > > involved in starting the car.
> > > >
> > > ummmmm... did you read the second part I wrote about by passing the

> switch??
> >
> > Sorry - you mean the starter relay next to the battery will let me
> > bypass the neutral switch?
> >

> yes one of them, that vehicle is 12 years old, I cant remember what other
> relays are there. if you have no idea what im talking about I would not jump
> it.
>
> --
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech


I just checked the neutral switch visually - it hasn't been touched (it
is too high up to get hit by something without hitting the transmission
also).

I noticed something else when trying to start it. As I said the head
lights do not dim when the key is turned to start the car, but the
display on the radio (factory installed) does turn off which I am doing
it. This should mean that the problem is after the keyswitch. What is
next in the circuit after the keyswitch (besides wire)?

  #8  
Old April 3rd 06, 08:01 PM posted to alt.autos.dodge
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Default 94 Shadow will not start



--

"Bill H" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> maxpower wrote:
> > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > >
> > > maxpower wrote:
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > > > oups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > maxpower wrote:
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > > > > > oups.com...
> > > > > > > I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine up

till
> > > > > > > Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and when

she
> > came
> > > > > > > out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns off

as it
> > > > > > > should when you turn the key, but no click of the soloniod or

> > noise
> > > > > > > from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery and no

> > change.
> > > > > > > I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the

lights
> > did
> > > > > > > not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the same,

no
> > > > > > > starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the Ignition

> > Time
> > > > > > > Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the fuse

box
> > > > that
> > > > > > > had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse in

thee
> > for
> > > > > > > the engine?)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor may

have
> > a
> > > > > > > problem, no change.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Ok you say she parked it, we don't know if its an automatic

trans or
> > > > manual
> > > > > > trans. If it is an auto you may want to see if she hit a curb

and
> > > > knocked
> > > > > > off the Neutral safety switch connector at the front of the

trans.
> > > > > > Other then that you gotta start at the starter, check 12 volts

at
> > the
> > > > back
> > > > > > of the starter (red wire) and as someone cranks the engine check

12
> > > > volts at
> > > > > > the brown solenoid wire.
> > > > > > If you were to make a quick test you can disconnect the starter

> > relay at
> > > > the
> > > > > > fender and jump the brown wire to battery battery voltage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Be careful doing this, make sure the vehicle is in park/neutral
> > > > emergency
> > > > > > brake on because it bypasses that safety switches.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Glenn Beasley
> > > > > > Chrysler Tech
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for answering. It is an automatic and it is possible that

she
> > > > > hit it. Where she was parked is a low sidewalk instead of a curb.

Just
> > > > > did a quick look and don't see anything knocked off, will have to

look
> > > > > closer. Can the neutral switch be bypassed to check if it is

damaged?
> > > > >
> > > > > I need to pick up a manual on this car showing the electronic

> > schematic
> > > > > (unless it is available online somewhere) so I can see what parts

are
> > > > > involved in starting the car.
> > > > >
> > > > ummmmm... did you read the second part I wrote about by passing the

> > switch??
> > >
> > > Sorry - you mean the starter relay next to the battery will let me
> > > bypass the neutral switch?
> > >

> > yes one of them, that vehicle is 12 years old, I cant remember what

other
> > relays are there. if you have no idea what im talking about I would not

jump
> > it.
> >
> > --
> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech

>
> I just checked the neutral switch visually - it hasn't been touched (it
> is too high up to get hit by something without hitting the transmission
> also).
>
> I noticed something else when trying to start it. As I said the head
> lights do not dim when the key is turned to start the car, but the
> display on the radio (factory installed) does turn off which I am doing
> it. This should mean that the problem is after the keyswitch. What is
> next in the circuit after the keyswitch (besides wire)?
>


Is the plastic cover that covers the lower column melted in any ways? if it
is or it isn't you may want to take it off for inspection.

Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech


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Old April 3rd 06, 10:13 PM posted to alt.autos.dodge
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Default 94 Shadow will not start


maxpower wrote:
> --
>
> "Bill H" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> >
> > maxpower wrote:
> > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > > oups.com...
> > > >
> > > > maxpower wrote:
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > > > > oups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > maxpower wrote:
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > oups.com...
> > > > > > > > I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine up

> till
> > > > > > > > Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and when

> she
> > > came
> > > > > > > > out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns off

> as it
> > > > > > > > should when you turn the key, but no click of the soloniod or
> > > noise
> > > > > > > > from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery and no
> > > change.
> > > > > > > > I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the

> lights
> > > did
> > > > > > > > not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the same,

> no
> > > > > > > > starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the Ignition
> > > Time
> > > > > > > > Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the fuse

> box
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse in

> thee
> > > for
> > > > > > > > the engine?)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor may

> have
> > > a
> > > > > > > > problem, no change.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ok you say she parked it, we don't know if its an automatic

> trans or
> > > > > manual
> > > > > > > trans. If it is an auto you may want to see if she hit a curb

> and
> > > > > knocked
> > > > > > > off the Neutral safety switch connector at the front of the

> trans.
> > > > > > > Other then that you gotta start at the starter, check 12 volts

> at
> > > the
> > > > > back
> > > > > > > of the starter (red wire) and as someone cranks the engine check

> 12
> > > > > volts at
> > > > > > > the brown solenoid wire.
> > > > > > > If you were to make a quick test you can disconnect the starter
> > > relay at
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > fender and jump the brown wire to battery battery voltage.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Be careful doing this, make sure the vehicle is in park/neutral
> > > > > emergency
> > > > > > > brake on because it bypasses that safety switches.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Glenn Beasley
> > > > > > > Chrysler Tech
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for answering. It is an automatic and it is possible that

> she
> > > > > > hit it. Where she was parked is a low sidewalk instead of a curb.

> Just
> > > > > > did a quick look and don't see anything knocked off, will have to

> look
> > > > > > closer. Can the neutral switch be bypassed to check if it is

> damaged?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I need to pick up a manual on this car showing the electronic
> > > schematic
> > > > > > (unless it is available online somewhere) so I can see what parts

> are
> > > > > > involved in starting the car.
> > > > > >
> > > > > ummmmm... did you read the second part I wrote about by passing the
> > > switch??
> > > >
> > > > Sorry - you mean the starter relay next to the battery will let me
> > > > bypass the neutral switch?
> > > >
> > > yes one of them, that vehicle is 12 years old, I cant remember what

> other
> > > relays are there. if you have no idea what im talking about I would not

> jump
> > > it.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Glenn Beasley
> > > Chrysler Tech

> >
> > I just checked the neutral switch visually - it hasn't been touched (it
> > is too high up to get hit by something without hitting the transmission
> > also).
> >
> > I noticed something else when trying to start it. As I said the head
> > lights do not dim when the key is turned to start the car, but the
> > display on the radio (factory installed) does turn off which I am doing
> > it. This should mean that the problem is after the keyswitch. What is
> > next in the circuit after the keyswitch (besides wire)?
> >

>
> Is the plastic cover that covers the lower column melted in any ways? if it
> is or it isn't you may want to take it off for inspection.
>
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech


No there is no melting on the cover. Speaking of heat, when we towed
the car home, I tried to start it a few more times then I looked for a
fuse in the owners manual, the only thing I could find was the ignition
time delay relay. This was very hot to the touch. I replaced it (but it
didn't help) and now it isn't hot.

I picked up the chiltons manual that has the wiring schematic for the
car. As you said, there is a brown wire that goes from the Starter
relay on the left shock housing to the starter. If I unplug that relay
and apply power direct from the batter it should engage the starter
correct?

I don't want to replace parts forever, but out of these parts that are
in the ingition system, which do you think would be the most likely to
fail (I already replaced the starter):

1. Starter Relay
2. Neutral Sensor

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> > >
> > > maxpower wrote:
> > > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
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> > > > >
> > > > > maxpower wrote:
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> > > > > > "Bill H" > wrote in message
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> > > > > > > maxpower wrote:
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> > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > >

oups.com...
> > > > > > > > > I got a 94 Dodge Shadow, 2.2 liter that was running fine

up
> > till
> > > > > > > > > Friday. My mother parked the car, went in the store and

when
> > she
> > > > came
> > > > > > > > > out it would not start. Here are the symptoms:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When you turn the key, the dash lights up and then turns

off
> > as it
> > > > > > > > > should when you turn the key, but no click of the

soloniod or
> > > > noise
> > > > > > > > > from the starter. Tried jumping and a different battery

and no
> > > > change.
> > > > > > > > > I turned on the headlights and then tried to start it, the

> > lights
> > > > did
> > > > > > > > > not dim so it seems that the starter isn't drawing power.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I replaced the starter with a new one and still get the

same,
> > no
> > > > > > > > > starter engaging and no cranking. I also replaced the

Ignition
> > > > Time
> > > > > > > > > Delay Relay since that seemed to be the only thing in the

fuse
> > box
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > had anything to do with starting the car (is there a fuse

in
> > thee
> > > > for
> > > > > > > > > the engine?)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I tried starting it in neutral, thinking the shift sensor

may
> > have
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > > problem, no change.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any ideas?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ok you say she parked it, we don't know if its an automatic

> > trans or
> > > > > > manual
> > > > > > > > trans. If it is an auto you may want to see if she hit a

curb
> > and
> > > > > > knocked
> > > > > > > > off the Neutral safety switch connector at the front of the

> > trans.
> > > > > > > > Other then that you gotta start at the starter, check 12

volts
> > at
> > > > the
> > > > > > back
> > > > > > > > of the starter (red wire) and as someone cranks the engine

check
> > 12
> > > > > > volts at
> > > > > > > > the brown solenoid wire.
> > > > > > > > If you were to make a quick test you can disconnect the

starter
> > > > relay at
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > fender and jump the brown wire to battery battery voltage.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Be careful doing this, make sure the vehicle is in

park/neutral
> > > > > > emergency
> > > > > > > > brake on because it bypasses that safety switches.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Glenn Beasley
> > > > > > > > Chrysler Tech
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for answering. It is an automatic and it is possible

that
> > she
> > > > > > > hit it. Where she was parked is a low sidewalk instead of a

curb.
> > Just
> > > > > > > did a quick look and don't see anything knocked off, will have

to
> > look
> > > > > > > closer. Can the neutral switch be bypassed to check if it is

> > damaged?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I need to pick up a manual on this car showing the electronic
> > > > schematic
> > > > > > > (unless it is available online somewhere) so I can see what

parts
> > are
> > > > > > > involved in starting the car.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > ummmmm... did you read the second part I wrote about by passing

the
> > > > switch??
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry - you mean the starter relay next to the battery will let me
> > > > > bypass the neutral switch?
> > > > >
> > > > yes one of them, that vehicle is 12 years old, I cant remember what

> > other
> > > > relays are there. if you have no idea what im talking about I would

not
> > jump
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Glenn Beasley
> > > > Chrysler Tech
> > >
> > > I just checked the neutral switch visually - it hasn't been touched

(it
> > > is too high up to get hit by something without hitting the

transmission
> > > also).
> > >
> > > I noticed something else when trying to start it. As I said the head
> > > lights do not dim when the key is turned to start the car, but the
> > > display on the radio (factory installed) does turn off which I am

doing
> > > it. This should mean that the problem is after the keyswitch. What is
> > > next in the circuit after the keyswitch (besides wire)?
> > >

> >
> > Is the plastic cover that covers the lower column melted in any ways? if

it
> > is or it isn't you may want to take it off for inspection.
> >
> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech

>
> No there is no melting on the cover. Speaking of heat, when we towed
> the car home, I tried to start it a few more times then I looked for a
> fuse in the owners manual, the only thing I could find was the ignition
> time delay relay. This was very hot to the touch. I replaced it (but it
> didn't help) and now it isn't hot.


That part you replaced is supposed to be hot, it is the time relay for the
lite that shines on the ignition key at nite and the key halo.
>
> I picked up the chiltons manual that has the wiring schematic for the
> car. As you said, there is a brown wire that goes from the Starter
> relay on the left shock housing to the starter. If I unplug that relay
> and apply power direct from the batter it should engage the starter
> correct?


Ok, now your really gonna get lost with that manual. and yes if you unplug
the relay, touch 12 volts to the brown wire it should start. if it does it
is somewhere from the ign switch to the neutral safety switch
>
> I don't want to replace parts forever, but out of these parts that are
> in the ingition system, which do you think would be the most likely to
> fail (I already replaced the starter):
>
> 1. Starter Relay
> 2. Neutral Sensor
>

the Neutral safety switch


 




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