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90 XJ ABS nightmare (long)
For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help?
I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy. I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list. Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor. My questions follow: 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are done? 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the controller as well? 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that repair? 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the recall work? 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and sort this situation out? -- Dana Port Kent, NY 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased) "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 |
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Grab a can of WD-40 and a rag and go clean off all four ABS sensors
mounted on the four wheels. My ABS gave me a code years ago and my brakes started acting funny and all it turned out to be was a bunch of dried on gunk on one of the sensors. It's worth a shot, that is for sure. Clear the ABS code afterwards by disconnecting the battery for 2-3 minutes, then drive it to see if that fixed the problem. Sometimes a simple fix takes care of a difficult problem. And no, the WD-40 wil not harm the sensor or any other electrical component for that matter. Jerry Dana Rohleder wrote: > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help? > > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on > it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because > a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they > need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion > of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on > the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on > the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy. > > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list. > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor. > > My questions follow: > > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are > done? > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could > have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the > controller as well? > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that > repair? > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making > me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the > downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the > recall work? > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and > sort this situation out? -- Jerry Bransford PP-ASEL N6TAY See the Geezer Jeep at http://members.cox.net/jerrypb/ |
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My local $tealer tried to soak me for a mess of unneeded stuff rather
than do the recall first. I got my money back on all the labor when I went to the service manager and raised ****. I guess the fact I caught them charging taxes on stuff that is tax free might have helped my case, but.... I would insist on the recall period. Then if it doesn't work, they can change other parts or you can just pull the relays and do without the ABS anyway. Mike 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's Dana Rohleder wrote: > > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help? > > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on > it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because > a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they > need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion > of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on > the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on > the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy. > > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list. > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor. > > My questions follow: > > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are > done? > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could > have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the > controller as well? > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that > repair? > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making > me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the > downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the > recall work? > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and > sort this situation out? > -- > Dana > Port Kent, NY > > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased) > > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 |
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Mike,
I already tried that. Unfortunately, pulling the relays on this system disabled the power assist, since it runs from the pump, not vacuum. Do you recall which unneeded parts they soaked you for? -- Dana Rohleder Port Kent, NY "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 "Mike Romain" > wrote in message ... > My local $tealer tried to soak me for a mess of unneeded stuff rather > than do the recall first. I got my money back on all the labor when I > went to the service manager and raised ****. I guess the fact I caught > them charging taxes on stuff that is tax free might have helped my case, > but.... > > I would insist on the recall period. Then if it doesn't work, they can > change other parts or you can just pull the relays and do without the > ABS anyway. > > Mike > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > Dana Rohleder wrote: >> >> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help? >> >> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS >> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall >> on >> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, >> because >> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they >> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall >> portion >> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty >> on >> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage >> on >> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy. >> >> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a >> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the >> list. >> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor. >> >> My questions follow: >> >> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs >> are >> done? >> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components >> could >> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the >> controller as well? >> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be >> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for >> that >> repair? >> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by >> making >> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for >> the >> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the >> recall work? >> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify >> and >> sort this situation out? >> -- >> Dana >> Port Kent, NY >> >> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased) >> >> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us >> and >> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 |
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http://www.naxja.org/html/techarticl...ll_OEM_ABS.htm
God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ Dana Rohleder wrote: > > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help? > > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall on > it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, because > a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they > need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall portion > of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty on > the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage on > the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy. > > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list. > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor. > > My questions follow: > > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs are > done? > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components could > have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the > controller as well? > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for that > repair? > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by making > me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for the > downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the > recall work? > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify and > sort this situation out? > -- > Dana > Port Kent, NY > > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased) > > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 |
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It was a different recall, I typed that sort of strange.
Mike Dana Rohleder wrote: > > Mike, > > I already tried that. Unfortunately, pulling the relays on this system > disabled the power assist, since it runs from the pump, not vacuum. > > Do you recall which unneeded parts they soaked you for? > -- > Dana Rohleder > Port Kent, NY > > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 > "Mike Romain" > wrote in message > ... > > My local $tealer tried to soak me for a mess of unneeded stuff rather > > than do the recall first. I got my money back on all the labor when I > > went to the service manager and raised ****. I guess the fact I caught > > them charging taxes on stuff that is tax free might have helped my case, > > but.... > > > > I would insist on the recall period. Then if it doesn't work, they can > > change other parts or you can just pull the relays and do without the > > ABS anyway. > > > > Mike > > 86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00 > > 88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's > > > > Dana Rohleder wrote: > >> > >> For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help? > >> > >> I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS > >> system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall > >> on > >> it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, > >> because > >> a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They say they > >> need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the recall > >> portion > >> of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the extended warranty > >> on > >> the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the "lifetime" coverage > >> on > >> the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor assy. > >> > >> I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a > >> non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the > >> list. > >> Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor. > >> > >> My questions follow: > >> > >> 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs > >> are > >> done? > >> 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components > >> could > >> have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the > >> controller as well? > >> 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be > >> converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for > >> that > >> repair? > >> 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by > >> making > >> me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of paying for > >> the > >> downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a cent for the > >> recall work? > >> 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify > >> and > >> sort this situation out? > >> -- > >> Dana > >> Port Kent, NY > >> > >> 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased) > >> > >> "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us > >> and > >> get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 |
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The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date,
not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the cost - they have got their last dime out of me. -- Dana Port Kent, NY 2002 Saturn LW300 93 Jeep YJ 90 Jeep XJ Ltd. --------------- 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd. 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd. 82 Cherokee 4dr 76 Cherokee 2dr "Dana Rohleder" > wrote in message ... > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help? > > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor > assy. > > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list. > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor. > > My questions follow: > > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs > are done? > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the > controller as well? > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for > that repair? > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a > cent for the recall work? > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify > and sort this situation out? > -- > Dana > Port Kent, NY > > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased) > > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 > |
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the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel
sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even rust built up on the tone wheel can cause this Dana Rohleder wrote: > The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to date, > not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still pulls > severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. They > wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but I > put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop > the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped > laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the > cost - they have got their last dime out of me. > -- > Dana > Port Kent, NY > > 2002 Saturn LW300 > 93 Jeep YJ > 90 Jeep XJ Ltd. > --------------- > 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd. > 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd. > 82 Cherokee 4dr > 76 Cherokee 2dr > > "Dana Rohleder" > wrote in message > ... > > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any help? > > > > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS > > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety recall > > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, > > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They > > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the > > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the > > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on the > > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the pump/motor > > assy. > > > > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a > > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the list. > > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor. > > > > My questions follow: > > > > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary repairs > > are done? > > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components > > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for the > > controller as well? > > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be > > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for > > that repair? > > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by > > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of > > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to pay a > > cent for the recall work? > > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help clarify > > and sort this situation out? > > -- > > Dana > > Port Kent, NY > > > > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased) > > > > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and > > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 > > |
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That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be
getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them? -- Dana Port Kent, NY 2002 Saturn LW300 93 Jeep YJ 90 Jeep XJ Ltd. --------------- 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd. 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd. 82 Cherokee 4dr 76 Cherokee 2dr "tim bur" > wrote in message ... > the reason the abs causes the vehicle to dive is the airgap for the wheel > sensors is to great and this causes the abs unit to act accordingly even > rust > built up on the tone wheel can cause this > > Dana Rohleder wrote: > >> The ABS fiasco cost me $2000 out of pocket for repairs/diagnostics to >> date, >> not including the actuator that was covered under warranty. It still >> pulls >> severely to the right, but the ABS fault lights are no longer working. >> They >> wanted to replace both my front calipers and hoses for another $500, but >> I >> put a stop to it. I asked them if they would guarantee that it would stop >> the pulling and they looked at me like a golden goose that just stopped >> laying eggs. I took the car back and may do the job myself for 1/2 of the >> cost - they have got their last dime out of me. >> -- >> Dana >> Port Kent, NY >> >> 2002 Saturn LW300 >> 93 Jeep YJ >> 90 Jeep XJ Ltd. >> --------------- >> 95 Grand Cherokee Ltd. >> 91 Grand Wagoneer Ltd. >> 82 Cherokee 4dr >> 76 Cherokee 2dr >> >> "Dana Rohleder" > wrote in message >> ... >> > For those of you that have run this race before, can you offer any >> > help? >> > >> > I bought a 90 XJ pretty cheap knowing there was a problem with the ABS >> > system. Since the vehicle's ABS system still has an active safety >> > recall >> > on it, I felt I had to take it to the dealership for service. However, >> > because a fault code points to my controller - $1100 for the part. They >> > say they need to replace the controller BEFORE they can get into the >> > recall portion of the repair. The car has 140K on it, so I am over the >> > extended warranty on the ENTIRE ABS system, but I should be covered on >> > the >> > "lifetime" coverage on the recall for the actuator assy and the >> > pump/motor >> > assy. >> > >> > I also had the dealer run up an estimate on converting the vehicle to a >> > non-ABS power brake system, as had been recommended by others on the >> > list. >> > Their estimate was $1300 parts/labor. >> > >> > My questions follow: >> > >> > 1. What is the reliability of the ABS system AFTER the necessary >> > repairs >> > are done? >> > 2. Is it possible that a malfunctioning actuator/pump/motor components >> > could have fried the controller, and if so, should/would D-C pay for >> > the >> > controller as well? >> > 3. If their ABS system on these vehicles is so bad, shouldn't they be >> > converting all of the malfunctioning systems to non-ABS and paying for >> > that repair? >> > 4. Is the dealer trying to scare me away from the ABS recall claim by >> > making me pay for the controller up front - leaving me the option of >> > paying for the downgrade out-of-pocket - so that D-C doesn't have to >> > pay a >> > cent for the recall work? >> > 5. Does anyone have a number for a contact at D-C who could help >> > clarify >> > and sort this situation out? >> > -- >> > Dana >> > Port Kent, NY >> > >> > 93 YJ, 90 XJ, (76, 82 & 91 FSJ -deceased) >> > >> > "It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us >> > and >> > get them out of harm's way." GW Bush -Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005 >> > > |
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Dana Rohleder did pass the time by typing:
> That was my thought too, but the tech said that if that were the case I'd be > getting a fault light. I asked them 3 times to check the gaps, or even see > if the passenger's front wasn't working at all, but they never gave me the > satisfaction. The gaps I can check myself, but is there an easy way of > cleaning the rust off of the tonewheels without removing them? A little rust on the tone wheels won't hurt anything. What will cause problems is buildup of metal filings from the brakes on the sensors face. Just use a piece of cloth and with the wheel off slowly turn the hub to drag it past the tone ring. Then go and clean the connector to your ABS computer. (both the pin and the wire side) 99% of all ABS faults are caused by that connector getting contaminated by road salt/grime/dust and it doesn't take much to cause problems. This problem usually manifests itself as the ABS light coming on when you go over railroad crossings or potholes. Use a spray contact cleaner that's safe for plastic, not WD-40! Then apply a good layer of silicone dielectric grease (sparkplug grease) to both sides and pop it back on. Having one sensor out of cal by just a smidge (less than it takes to set a fault code) will cause the ABS to apply just as you come to a normal stop. -- DougW |
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