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WraithCobra wrote:
> Michael Johnson, PE wrote: > >>WraithCobra wrote: >> >>>Michael Johnson, PE wrote: >>> >>> >>>>WraithCobra wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>Joe wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>"WraithCobra" > wrote in : >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>Um... The '03 & '04 Terminator Cobra's are already faster and >>>>>>>have near Corvette handling when compared with the same year. The >>>>>>>Terminator Cobras are putting more power to the ground than the >>>>>>>same year Z06's and the new C6. >>>>>> >>>>>>Mike, you're dreaming. The Corvette does 0-60 in under 4 seconds >>>>>>off the showroom floor. What stock Cobra does that? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Time slips have already proven that the Terminator is faster than >>>>>the same year Vette (not Z06) in the 1/4. >>>>>The Terminators put down an average of 365 horses to the ground >>>>>show room stock, closer to 385 with only a CAI and cat-back. The >>>>>C5 has a RWHP around 300, and the Z06 about 350. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>The next Cobra, which will be produced, >>>>>>>will have more power than the new C6 (the Terminator already >>>>>>>does) >>>>>> >>>>>>Flat out nonsense. The next Cobra is nothing but a rumor. And >>>>>>the Terminator has 390/390 vs. the C6's 400/400. Those are facts. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The Terminator is under rated, that's a fact! The factory numbers >>>>>are closer to 425/425, thats without a CAI and cat-back. The only >>>>>thing holding the Cobra back is weight, 3650 lbs. The Terminator >>>>>puts down over 15 more RWHP stock than the C5 Z06 (dyno proven) and >>>>>is only a few 10ths behind in the 1/4. >>>>>Here's some facts for you...... >>>>>http://dynoperformance.com/article_details.php?ID=28 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>and will handle just as well on the new platform for less. I'm >>>>>>>not comparing the next Cobra to the C6 Z06, they are in a >>>>>>>different price range. And I do agree that they are two >>>>>>>different cars for two different purposes. Heck, the Vette guys >>>>>>>think the new Z06 will compare to the GT. Don't think so... --- >>>>>>>Mike >>>>>>>Silver 10th Anniversary Cobra Coupe >>>>>>>--- >>>>>> >>>>>>Mike, you need to wake up. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You need to stop Magazing racing becuse in the real world the '03 & >>>>>'04 Cobras are faster than a C5 Vette and handle almost as well for >>>>>thousands less. >>>> >>>>I agree that the '03-'04 Cobras can match, and in some instances >>>>beat, the C5 Vettes at the drag strip but that is where it ends. A >>>>C5 will tromp a Mustang Cobra on a road course. >>> >>> >>>A stock Cobra will easily out run a stock C5 Corvette in the 1/4, >>>the Z06 is only a half second faster. The Cobra also handles better >>>than most people think. On a loose road course the Cobra would have >>>no problem keeping up with a C5, a tighter course with more >>>transitions will slow the Cobra down due to its weight distribution. >> >>I wouldn't say the Cobra, stock vs. stock, would easily outrun a C5 in >>the 1/4 mile. The Vette has better traction and a weight advantage >>thats good for the equivalent of 40-50 hp. Where the Cobra shines is >>when the engine are done but this is the case with most forced >>induction engines. > > > Look it up, the '03 & '04 Cobras run faster 1/4 times than compareable year > Corvettes. > > >>>>The new C6 Vette is even >>>>better and stock for stock will likely match the Cobra at the strip >>>>and would destroy it otherwise. I like Mustangs but putting one up >>>>against a C5, and especially a C6, will lead to a big >>>>disappointment. >>> >>> >>>I'm not really comparing the Current Cobra with the C6, I just >>>stated that the Cobra puts more power to the ground to make my point >>>about the base C5. >> >>Aside from the engine changes the C6 isn't that far off from a C5 in >>handling. In fact, the C6 isn't a new chassis but a tweaked version >>of the C5. While power to the ground is important that is just one >>component that makes for a good all around performance car. > > > This is kinda what I'm trying to explain. The Cobra is a good all around > performance car. The Vette handles better, the Cobra's faster. the Vette has > better aero, the Cobra has back seats and a trunk. Different cars but a > similar performance level considering the differences in the functionality > of the two. > > >>>>BTW, the upcoming Z06 is going to be one nasty sports car. My guess >>>>is it will handily trounce about every sports car selling for under >>>>$100k and give the Ford GT a good scare stock for stock. >>> >>> >>>Why is it that the C6 Z06 rumors are so believable (have it running >>>with the GT, which I don't believe) and the Cobra rumors are way off >>>base (that it will out run and handle as well as a base C6)? >> >>I don't know what the new Cobra will be but I suspect it will have the >>same drive train as the '03-'04 cars. IMO, that is one of the best, >>if not the best, engine ever put in a mass produced automobile. Why >>mess with success? I think Ford will probably tweak it to make a >>little more than 400 hp. > > > It already does make more than 400, dyno results on stock Cobras put the > output at closer to 425. The next Cobra will most likely use an aluminum > block 5.4L Twin-Screw with 450 - 550 rated horsepower similar to the GT > engine. It may or may not be the same block used in the GT. It has been > rumored that the Lightning and Cobra were to use the same engine before the > Lightning was put on the back burner. Ford used the iron 4.6L block in the > current Cobra for warrantee and longevity reasons. A 5.4L would be able to > make more power with less stress on the block, the Twin-Screw also helps in > this respect so a lighter aluminum block can be used. > > >>>The current Cobra already out run's the current C5, there is no >>>question about that. The current Cobra is the fastest Mustang ever >>>sold to the public and the second best handling Mustang ever sold to >>>the public, with the '00 Cobra R being the first. So why is it so >>>hard to believe that the new Cobra built on the new platform will >>>not again be faster than the current C6 Corvette and handle close to >>>if not as well as it does? I know the new platform will still have >>>some weight problems, but that's not as detrimental to handling as >>>other factors that have been corrected from the old chassis. >> >>The problem the Mustang has when put up against the Vette is a result >>of the intended use of each car. The Mustang is meant to be a daily >>driver that is affordable. This results in driving positions, car's >>center of gravity location etc. that is not optimized for all out >>performance. The chassis is a derivative of a four door sedan which >>has compromises from the standpoint of performance. This isn't a bad >>thing. It's just what Ford had to do to keep it affordable and >>functional for its intended buyers. While the chassis is light years >>ahead of the old Fox platform it still has compromises that affect >>the car's performance. I think Ford has hit a home run with the new >>Stang but this doesn't mean it is a competitor for the Vette. > > > I think a Cobra on the new platform will at least have the same small > performance gap that the current Cobra has with the Vette now. The new > Mustang platform is, don't quote me here, 32% more ridgid than the Fox4 > chasis. > > > Now the Vette is a completely different story. It was designed from > >>the ground up to be a two seater sports car. No major compromises >>were necessary during its design. This means independent rear >>suspensions that aren't an after thought retrofit, lower center of >>mass, trannies located behind the driver to optimize weight >>distribution, front suspension that doesn't compromise for engine >>size (like in the new Mustang) and many, many other items that >>enhance performance. All these things add up to a car that is quite >>a capable performer even for the price of $50k. Hell, you can't buy >>a loaded pickup truck for much less than that and many SUV's cost >>more! > > > There are other automobiles that will out handle the Vette for alot less, > now these will not have the power of a V8 but the Vette isn't the best > handler out there for the money either. > > >>>I can't believe that so many people on a Mustang news group put the >>>Corvette on such a high pedestal while they kick the Mustang to the >>>curb. Makes no sense... >> >>I'm not kicking the Mustang to the curb. I have one sitting in my >>garage that I'll keep until I'm taking a dirt nap. That being said, I >>also won't take a position of making the Mustang out to be more than >>what it is - a very good pony car at a very good price that can be a >>daily driver, if necessary. IMO, the new Mustang fills this role >>almost to perfection but that's about as far as I will go until I see >>what Ford does with the Cobra version. I do know that they can only >>do so much with the car (i.e chassis) because of it's basic design >>function. > > > I'm not making it more than it is either, I'm stating facts. The Cobra is > faster and more powerful than the Vette. (comparing same years here) The > Vette may handle better, but not by a wide enough margin in some cases to > beat a Cobra. (I said some cases) The Vette is a two seat sports car where > the Cobra has back seats and a usable trunk, which I prefer to have. And if > I owned a Vette I'd at least know who my comptition was, or soon find out. Go to a road course and race against a C5 Vette with a competent driver and then get back to me. Just the advantage in braking alone will give the Vette a tremendous advantage over a Cobra. The Vette is just plain easier to drive fast which will make it faster than a Cobra, especially with an amateur drivers. At the strip you might have a slight advantage but it ends there. I'm not looking to start an agreement... just giving a reality check. |
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