Justifying an impact wrench for infrequent hobby use

On Jul 11, 9:57*am, jim beam > wrote:
> On 07/11/2012 02:27 AM, AD wrote:
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> > I'm toying with an idea of spending $200 on a battery powered impact
> > wrench (at sears.com or whatever).
> > Aside from prying off the wheel bolts any other uses you could come up
> > with to justyfy the purchase?
>
> > I don't steal other people's rims for living hence I ponder if twice a
> > year 30 something bolts on two car
> > summer/winter reshoeing are worth the money spent.
>
> > I pay about $5 per car where I live to swap the rims. Hence me thinks
> > 10 seasons to recoup the
> > cost seems like a long long time.
>
> an impact driver will save you time. *and money on broken fasteners.
> they're a great investment imo.
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> but exercise some judgment on what you get. *lug nut torque is a good
> deal higher than most other fastener torque, and most drivers have two
> levels of control accordingly. *the high torque models usually just have
> "forward" and "reverse" switches, no speed control. *they're great for
> lug nuts. *but the wrenches for most everything else are lower torque
> and have speed/torque control. *now, some of these purport to have
> sufficient torque for lug nuts, but as you'll see from online reviews,
> they seldom work for that. *see if you can try before you buy. *$200 is
> at the lower end of quality for cordless, so this is particularly relevant.

On Jul 12, 9:08*am, Brent > wrote:
> On 2012-07-11, jim beam > wrote:
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> > On 07/11/2012 03:51 PM, Brent wrote:
> >> On 2012-07-11, Scott > *wrote:
> >>> Vic > *wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:27:07 -0700 (PDT), > *wrote:
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> >>>>> I'm toying with an idea of spending $200 on a battery powered impact
> >>>>> wrench (at sears.com or whatever).
> >>>>> Aside from prying off the wheel bolts any other uses you could come up
> >>>>> with to justyfy the purchase?
>
> >>>> Unless you're somehow physically disabled, or dealing with corroded
> >>>> fasteners, it ain't worth dealing with the weight of it, and plugging
> >>>> it in. *My opinion.
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> >>> It is, however, an absolute miracle for dealing with corroded fasteners. *If
> >>> you ever do any suspension or exhaust work or if you ever do anything on an
> >>> Triumph or MG, it will pay for itself the first time you use it.
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> >> An impact wrench designed for lug nuts and other large fasteners is
> >> usesless for the vast majority of corroded fasteners. It will break
> >> them. For that I purchased a corded impact driver.
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> > then you got the wrong driver.
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> No, I have a small electric impact driver for small fasteners. I have
> air impact wrench for large fasteners. These are the right drivers for
> what they are used for. Use a full size impact wrench on an M8 or M6 and
> watch it break the fastener.
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> > the right one will work pretty much
> > every time. *and you should still use stuff like wd40 with an
> > appropriate soak-in time if you anticipate problems.
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> WD40 isn't for corroded fasteners. Get a lubricant not a solvent.

mmm, but WD40 is supposed to penetrate the rust to allow easier
unbolting
and lessen the chance of pulling heads off on rusted nuts, no?

AD > wrote in
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> On Jul 12, 9:08*am, Brent > wrote:
>> On 2012-07-11, jim beam > wrote:
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>> > On 07/11/2012 03:51 PM, Brent wrote:
>> >> On 2012-07-11, Scott > *wrote:
>> >>> Vic > *wrote:
>> >>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:27:07 -0700 (PDT), >
>> >>>> *wr
> ote:
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>> >>>>> I'm toying with an idea of spending $200 on a battery powered
>> >>>>> impac
> t
>> >>>>> wrench (at sears.com or whatever).
>> >>>>> Aside from prying off the wheel bolts any other uses you could
>> >>>>> come
> up
>> >>>>> with to justyfy the purchase?
>>
>> >>>> Unless you're somehow physically disabled, or dealing with
>> >>>> corroded fasteners, it ain't worth dealing with the weight of
>> >>>> it, and pluggin
> g
>> >>>> it in. *My opinion.
>>
>> >>> It is, however, an absolute miracle for dealing with corroded
>> >>> fastene
> rs. *If
>> >>> you ever do any suspension or exhaust work or if you ever do
>> >>> anything
> on an
>> >>> Triumph or MG, it will pay for itself the first time you use it.
>>
>> >> An impact wrench designed for lug nuts and other large fasteners
>> >> is usesless for the vast majority of corroded fasteners. It will
>> >> break them. For that I purchased a corded impact driver.
>>
>> > then you got the wrong driver.
>>
>> No, I have a small electric impact driver for small fasteners. I have
>> air impact wrench for large fasteners. These are the right drivers
>> for what they are used for. Use a full size impact wrench on an M8 or
>> M6 and watch it break the fastener.
>>
>> > the right one will work pretty much
>> > every time. *and you should still use stuff like wd40 with an
>> > appropriate soak-in time if you anticipate problems.
>>
>> WD40 isn't for corroded fasteners. Get a lubricant not a solvent.
>
> mmm, but WD40 is supposed to penetrate the rust to allow easier
> unbolting
> and lessen the chance of pulling heads off on rusted nuts, no?
>

sorry no. wd40 is a water dispersent not a penetrating oil. KB

On 07/12/2012 06:41 AM, Kevin Bottorff wrote:
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>> On Jul 12, 9:08�am, > wrote:
>>> On 2012-07-11, jim > wrote:
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>>>> On 07/11/2012 03:51 PM, Brent wrote:
>>>>> On 2012-07-11, Scott > �wrote:
>>>>>> Vic > �wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:27:07 -0700 (PDT), >
>>>>>>> �wr
>> ote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm toying with an idea of spending $200 on a battery powered
>>>>>>>> impac
>> t
>>>>>>>> wrench (at sears.com or whatever).
>>>>>>>> Aside from prying off the wheel bolts any other uses you could
>>>>>>>> come
>> up
>>>>>>>> with to justyfy the purchase?
>>>
>>>>>>> Unless you're somehow physically disabled, or dealing with
>>>>>>> corroded fasteners, it ain't worth dealing with the weight of
>>>>>>> it, and pluggin
>> g
>>>>>>> it in. �My opinion.
>>>
>>>>>> It is, however, an absolute miracle for dealing with corroded
>>>>>> fastene
>> rs. �If
>>>>>> you ever do any suspension or exhaust work or if you ever do
>>>>>> anything
>> on an
>>>>>> Triumph or MG, it will pay for itself the first time you use it.
>>>
>>>>> An impact wrench designed for lug nuts and other large fasteners
>>>>> is usesless for the vast majority of corroded fasteners. It will
>>>>> break them. For that I purchased a corded impact driver.
>>>
>>>> then you got the wrong driver.
>>>
>>> No, I have a small electric impact driver for small fasteners. I have
>>> air impact wrench for large fasteners. These are the right drivers
>>> for what they are used for. Use a full size impact wrench on an M8 or
>>> M6 and watch it break the fastener.
>>>
>>>> the right one will work pretty much
>>>> every time. �and you should still use stuff like wd40 with an
>>>> appropriate soak-in time if you anticipate problems.
>>>
>>> WD40 isn't for corroded fasteners. Get a lubricant not a solvent.
>>
>> mmm, but WD40 is supposed to penetrate the rust to allow easier
>> unbolting
>> and lessen the chance of pulling heads off on rusted nuts, no?
>>
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> sorry no. wd40 is a water dispersent not a penetrating oil. KB

kevin needs to butt-off and go file a complaint with the ad standards
council.

<http://www.wd40.com/uses-tips/function/loosens-rusted-parts/>

and he'd better take his lab analysis with him to explain how "petroleum
base oil" isn't actually present as alleged:

<http://www.wd40company.com/files/pdf/msds-wd494716385.pdf>


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fact check required

AD > wrote:
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>> WD40 isn't for corroded fasteners. Get a lubricant not a solvent.
>
>mmm, but WD40 is supposed to penetrate the rust to allow easier
>unbolting
>and lessen the chance of pulling heads off on rusted nuts, no?

It's supposed to, but it doesn't really.

Try Kroil, PB Blaster, Break Free or another actual penetrating oil.
It will make your life much easier.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...
> AD > wrote:
>>>
>>> WD40 isn't for corroded fasteners. Get a lubricant not a solvent.
>>
>>mmm, but WD40 is supposed to penetrate the rust to allow easier
>>unbolting
>>and lessen the chance of pulling heads off on rusted nuts, no?
>
> It's supposed to, but it doesn't really.
>
> Try Kroil, PB Blaster, Break Free or another actual penetrating oil.
> It will make your life much easier.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Seconded, use a real rust penetrant. I've used the following
for decades, it's never once failed to free a rusted fastener,
but allow it sufficient time to penetrate: GM Goodwrench
Rust Penetrant and Inhibitor Heat Valve Lubricant, Part #
1052627 Gr.8.800 (number may now be superseded).

On Jul 11, 5:27*am, AD > wrote:
> I'm toying with an idea of spending $200 on a battery powered impact
> wrench (at sears.com or whatever).
> Aside from prying off the wheel bolts any other uses you could come up
> with to justyfy the purchase?
>
> I don't steal other people's rims for living hence I ponder if twice a
> year 30 something bolts on two car
> summer/winter reshoeing are worth the money spent.
>
> I pay about $5 per car where I live to swap the rims. Hence me thinks
> 10 seasons to recoup the
> cost seems like a long long time.

I purchased an old electric 1/2" impact from ebay over 10 years ago,
and it still works great and I spent under $40! The biggest problem I
see with the battery powered impacts are the batteries themselves.
They don't seem to last and the cost to replace them is almost as much
as the gun.

On Jul 12, 9:41*am, Kevin Bottorff > wrote:
> AD > wrote :
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> > On Jul 12, 9:08*am, Brent > wrote:
> >> On 2012-07-11, jim beam > wrote:
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> >> > On 07/11/2012 03:51 PM, Brent wrote:
> >> >> On 2012-07-11, Scott > *wrote:
> >> >>> Vic > *wrote:
> >> >>>> On Wed, 11 Jul 2012 02:27:07 -0700 (PDT), >
> >> >>>> *wr
> > ote:
>
> >> >>>>> I'm toying with an idea of spending $200 on a battery powered
> >> >>>>> impac
> > t
> >> >>>>> wrench (at sears.com or whatever).
> >> >>>>> Aside from prying off the wheel bolts any other uses you could
> >> >>>>> come
> > *up
> >> >>>>> with to justyfy the purchase?
>
> >> >>>> Unless you're somehow physically disabled, or dealing with
> >> >>>> corroded fasteners, it ain't worth dealing with the weight of
> >> >>>> it, and pluggin
> > g
> >> >>>> it in. *My opinion.
>
> >> >>> It is, however, an absolute miracle for dealing with corroded
> >> >>> fastene
> > rs. *If
> >> >>> you ever do any suspension or exhaust work or if you ever do
> >> >>> anything
> > *on an
> >> >>> Triumph or MG, it will pay for itself the first time you use it.
>
> >> >> An impact wrench designed for lug nuts and other large fasteners
> >> >> is usesless for the vast majority of corroded fasteners. It will
> >> >> break them. For that I purchased a corded impact driver.
>
> >> > then you got the wrong driver.
>
> >> No, I have a small electric impact driver for small fasteners. I have
> >> air impact wrench for large fasteners. These are the right drivers
> >> for what they are used for. Use a full size impact wrench on an M8 or
> >> M6 and watch it break the fastener.
>
> >> > the right one will work pretty much
> >> > every time. *and you should still use stuff like wd40 with an
> >> > appropriate soak-in time if you anticipate problems.
>
> >> WD40 isn't for corroded fasteners. Get a lubricant not a solvent.
>
> > mmm, but WD40 is supposed to penetrate the rust to allow easier
> > unbolting
> > and lessen the chance of pulling heads off on rusted nuts, no?
>
> sorry no. wd40 is a water dispersent not a penetrating oil. *KB

Straight from the WD40 bottle:

*stops squeaks
*removes & protects
* loosens Rusted Parts - to free stuck, corroded parts like *nuts,
*bolts, *valves, *locks
* Frees sticky mechanisms
* drives out moisture

m6onz5a > wrote:
>> sorry no. wd40 is a water dispersent not a penetrating oil. =A0KB
>
>Straight from the WD40 bottle:
>
>*stops squeaks
>*removes & protects
>* loosens Rusted Parts - to free stuck, corroded parts like *nuts,
>*bolts, *valves, *locks
>* Frees sticky mechanisms
>* drives out moisture

Yes, and the Budweiser bottle says it's made from the "Choicest Hops
And Best Barley Malt" also. You can't always believe the label.
--scott
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"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Jul 12, 3:33*pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> m6onz5a > wrote:
> >> sorry no. wd40 is a water dispersent not a penetrating oil. =A0KB
>
> >Straight from the WD40 bottle:
>
> >*stops squeaks
> >*removes & protects
> >* loosens Rusted Parts - to free stuck, corroded parts like *nuts,
> >*bolts, *valves, *locks
> >* Frees sticky mechanisms
> >* drives out moisture
>
> Yes, and the Budweiser bottle says it's made from the "Choicest Hops
> And Best Barley Malt" also. *You can't always believe the label.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

It may not be the best product to use, but it does do what it says.