Toyota's massive recall woes halt production, ding top quality rep

Old news, Toyota is killing folks TODAY with their so called superior cars
and SUVs




"ben91932" > wrote in message
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On Jan 27, 9:18 am, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:
> What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue?

GM: Rolling Corvairs and full size cars that broke motor mounts and
locked the steering.
Several hundred dead.
Ford: Exploding mustang gas tanks in the '60's which Ford knew about
and remedied by making the Pinto.
Several hundred more dead.
These issues were known by the car makers before the cars were sold.
Their accountants calculated that the loss of life, lawsuits etc would
cost less overall than the $15 to $17 a car it would have cost them to
make them safe.
Ben

> wrote in message
...
> Toyota's auto business/industry is building and selling cars and
> trucks.Toyota will get it all sorted out, sooner or later.No cars and
> trucks are perfect.
> cuhulin

True...If there is a will to do the right thing, it will be solved. I heard
today
that there are 4 deaths suspected to be caused by this problem.. I have no
doubt that, even though this is a relatively small number compared with the
millions of cars that have been sold, Toyota WILL find the problem and
correct it.

I have two newish Toyotas, one three years old and the other about
6 months old. Both have been absolutely flawless in every respect.

I will give them a fair chance to do the right thing.

"Sir F. A. Rien" > wrote in message
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> "Tom" Tom the piper's son > found these unused words:
>
>>"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
...
>>> What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue?
>>>
>>>
>>> "SMS" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> jr92 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Myself,
>>>>>
>>>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into
>>>>> the likes of a Toyota.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, you want to put them into a vehicle where the manufacturer fights
>>>> to the end to not fix safety issues, not one where the manufacturer
>>>> acknowledges potential problems and fixes them.
>>>>
>>>> What an idiot.
>>>
>> All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until
>> they
>> finish raping America while
>> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember
>> these people do not like us only our money
>> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us.
>
> Guess you missed the information that they make the cars in the US and
> supply US workers with a living?
>
> That's as against Flipping Ford who assembles in MEXICO with foreign made
> parts.
>
> Remember to salute [right arm extended] when you look at a Chrysler
> product.
Toyota has only known about this problem since2007
>
Toyota first identified problems with the accelerator pedals on its Tundra
pickup in March 2007. After months of testing, the company determined that
the problem was caused by the material in the accelerators' friction lever
and made a change.

At that time, Toyota considered it to be a drivability issue unrelated to
safety, according to its filing with the U.S. National Highway Traffic
Safety Administration. A similar issue then arose in Europe in December 2008
in the right-hand-drive versions of two small Toyota cars, the Aygo and
Yaris.

The company's investigation found that condensation from heaters caused
increased friction in the gas pedal, making it stick in some cases. Toyota
lengthened the arm of the friction lever and changed its materials on all
vehicles produced in Europe using the subject accelerator pedals starting in
mid-August 2009.

Beginning in October last year, Toyota became aware of sticking accelerator
pedals in the U.S. and Canada. The company realized that the material used
in

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Old news, one can no longer buys those old cars, You can however still buy
> one of the many runaway Toyotas models.

only used

> "Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
> news
>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote:
>>
>>> What they are doing now is is simply a PR move.
>>>
>>>
>>> Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic.
>>>
>>>
>>> Time will tell if their PR move pays off.
>>>
>>>
>>> Myself,
>>>
>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into the
>>> likes of a Toyota.
>> Really? What DO you put them into?
>>
>> My last Toyota was recalled for...
>>
>> the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause static on
>> the radio.
>>
>> With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into
>> reverse at any time...
>>
>> Chevy making rolling blunders
>>
>> I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as you can
>> get at a good price.
>>
>>
>>
>
>

You are correct, I keep forgetting most of the buyers in this NG are used
car buyers.


"dr_jeff" > wrote in message
...
> Mike Hunter wrote:
>> Old news, one can no longer buys those old cars, You can however still
>> buy one of the many runaway Toyotas models.
>
> only used
>
>> "Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
>> news
>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote:
>>>
>>>> What they are doing now is is simply a PR move.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Time will tell if their PR move pays off.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Myself,
>>>>
>>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into
>>>> the
>>>> likes of a Toyota.
>>> Really? What DO you put them into?
>>>
>>> My last Toyota was recalled for...
>>>
>>> the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause static on
>>> the radio.
>>>
>>> With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into
>>> reverse at any time...
>>>
>>> Chevy making rolling blunders
>>>
>>> I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as you
>>> can
>>> get at a good price.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Is that different than Toyota importing most of the materials, as well as
most of the models it sells in the US?


"Sir F. A. Rien" > wrote in message
...
> "Tom" Tom the piper's son > found these unused words:
>> All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until
>> they
>> finish raping America while
>> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember
>> these people do not like us only our money
>> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us.
>
> Guess you missed the information that they make the cars in the US and
> supply US workers with a living?
>
> That's as against Flipping Ford who assembles in MEXICO with foreign made
> parts.
>
> Remember to salute [right arm extended] when you look at a Chrysler
> product.
>

How does that account for the fact vehicles with the fly by wire system also
have the runaway problem, according to A.N.?



"Tom" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "Sir F. A. Rien" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Tom" Tom the piper's son > found these unused words:
>>
>>>"Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote in message
...
>>>> What manufacturer ever refused to fix vehicles with a safety issue?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "SMS" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> jr92 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Myself,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into
>>>>>> the likes of a Toyota.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, you want to put them into a vehicle where the manufacturer
>>>>> fights
>>>>> to the end to not fix safety issues, not one where the manufacturer
>>>>> acknowledges potential problems and fixes them.
>>>>>
>>>>> What an idiot.
>>>>
>>> All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until
>>> they
>>> finish raping America while
>>> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember
>>> these people do not like us only our money
>>> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us.
>>
>> Guess you missed the information that they make the cars in the US and
>> supply US workers with a living?
>>
>> That's as against Flipping Ford who assembles in MEXICO with foreign made
>> parts.
>>
>> Remember to salute [right arm extended] when you look at a Chrysler
>> product.
> Toyota has only known about this problem since2007
>>
> Toyota first identified problems with the accelerator pedals on its Tundra
> pickup in March 2007. After months of testing, the company determined that
> the problem was caused by the material in the accelerators' friction lever
> and made a change.
>
> At that time, Toyota considered it to be a drivability issue unrelated to
> safety, according to its filing with the U.S. National Highway Traffic
> Safety Administration. A similar issue then arose in Europe in December
> 2008 in the right-hand-drive versions of two small Toyota cars, the Aygo
> and Yaris.
>
> The company's investigation found that condensation from heaters caused
> increased friction in the gas pedal, making it stick in some cases. Toyota
> lengthened the arm of the friction lever and changed its materials on all
> vehicles produced in Europe using the subject accelerator pedals starting
> in mid-August 2009.
>
> Beginning in October last year, Toyota became aware of sticking
> accelerator pedals in the U.S. and Canada. The company realized that the
> material used in

Mike Hunter wrote:
> You are correct, I keep forgetting most of the buyers in this NG are used
> car buyers.

Something wrong with buying used cars?


> "dr_jeff" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Mike Hunter wrote:
>>> Old news, one can no longer buys those old cars, You can however still
>>> buy one of the many runaway Toyotas models.
>> only used
>>
>>> "Hachiroku ????" > wrote in message
>>> news >>>> On Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:07:03 -0800, jr92 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> What they are doing now is is simply a PR move.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Many are considering it to be a desperation tactic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Time will tell if their PR move pays off.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Myself,
>>>>>
>>>>> I value my loved ones' well-being too much to risk putting them into
>>>>> the
>>>>> likes of a Toyota.
>>>> Really? What DO you put them into?
>>>>
>>>> My last Toyota was recalled for...
>>>>
>>>> the antenna not mounted to the body correctly, which may cause static on
>>>> the radio.
>>>>
>>>> With Ford sticking stickers on the dash saying, This car may go into
>>>> reverse at any time...
>>>>
>>>> Chevy making rolling blunders
>>>>
>>>> I'll stick to Toytota. They aren't perfect, but about as close as you
>>>> can
>>>> get at a good price.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>

Mike Hunter wrote:
> Is that different than Toyota importing most of the materials, as well as
> most of the models it sells in the US?

Yet it builds most of the cars it sells in North America. And most of
the parts in the those cars come from the US, too.

Jeff

> "Sir F. A. Rien" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Tom" Tom the piper's son > found these unused words:
>>> All Hail Toyota I will stick behind them to the end, or at least until
>>> they
>>> finish raping America while
>>> closing their markets. fixing the price of their yen, Just remember
>>> these people do not like us only our money
>>> and the protection we provide. name something they have done for us.
>> Guess you missed the information that they make the cars in the US and
>> supply US workers with a living?
>>
>> That's as against Flipping Ford who assembles in MEXICO with foreign made
>> parts.
>>
>> Remember to salute [right arm extended] when you look at a Chrysler
>> product.
>>
>
>

On 1/27/2010 12:48 PM, Tom wrote:
> Toyota has only known about this problem since2007
>>
> Toyota first identified problems with the accelerator pedals on its
> Tundra pickup in March 2007. After months of testing, the company
> determined that the problem was caused by the material in the
> accelerators' friction lever and made a change.

What's a "friction lever?" It's interesting that this problem appears in
wire and drive-by-wire systems. This probably means that the problem is
not with the drive-by-wire. If this happens in cars without the problem
floor mats, it probably means the floor mats are not the problem either.
The investigators should check out the components common to Toyotas with
with a history of this problem. That should narrow it down.

In cases of runaway acceleration, I tend to believe it's driver's error.
This however, appears to be something different.

>
> At that time, Toyota considered it to be a drivability issue unrelated
> to safety, according to its filing with the U.S. National Highway
> Traffic Safety Administration. A similar issue then arose in Europe in
> December 2008 in the right-hand-drive versions of two small Toyota cars,
> the Aygo and Yaris.
>
> The company's investigation found that condensation from heaters caused
> increased friction in the gas pedal, making it stick in some cases.
> Toyota lengthened the arm of the friction lever and changed its
> materials on all vehicles produced in Europe using the subject
> accelerator pedals starting in mid-August 2009.
>
> Beginning in October last year, Toyota became aware of sticking
> accelerator pedals in the U.S. and Canada. The company realized that the
> material used in