Noisy Vehicle Law

You'll be happy to know that an Oregon state legislator, Mitch Greenlick
(D-Portland) introduced a bill that would make the production of
unnecessarily loud noise on a vehicle an offense, punishable by a fine of up
to $720.

If you're interested, it's House Bill 2822.

In article . net>,
says...
>You'll be happy to know that an Oregon state legislator, Mitch Greenlick
>(D-Portland) introduced a bill that would make the production of
>unnecessarily loud noise on a vehicle an offense, punishable by a fine of up
>to $720.
>If you're interested, it's House Bill 2822.

Are there really no other laws in place that could curtail loud vehicles?
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Alex

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
> In article . net>,
> says...
> >You'll be happy to know that an Oregon state legislator, Mitch
Greenlick
> >(D-Portland) introduced a bill that would make the production of
> >unnecessarily loud noise on a vehicle an offense, punishable by a
fine of up
> >to $720.
> >If you're interested, it's House Bill 2822.
>
> Are there really no other laws in place that could curtail loud
vehicles?

I'm sure there are... just no other laws to put an extra $720 in
government coffers.

"Larry Bud" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Alex Rodriguez wrote:
>> In article . net>,
>> says...
>> >You'll be happy to know that an Oregon state legislator, Mitch
> Greenlick
>> >(D-Portland) introduced a bill that would make the production of
>> >unnecessarily loud noise on a vehicle an offense, punishable by a
> fine of up
>> >to $720.
>> >If you're interested, it's House Bill 2822.
>>
>> Are there really no other laws in place that could curtail loud
> vehicles?
>
> I'm sure there are... just no other laws to put an extra $720 in
> government coffers.
>

I would love to see this happen, but then, I don't think this law is really
that enforcable.

> You'll be happy to know that an Oregon state legislator, Mitch Greenlick
> (D-Portland) introduced a bill that would make the production of
> unnecessarily loud noise on a vehicle an offense, punishable by a fine
> of up to $720. If you're interested, it's House Bill 2822.

Uh-huh. Except that laws which contain terms like "unnecessarily loud" or
"unnecessarily bright" or "unnecessarily glaring" are unenforceable,
'cause there's no objective standard of what constitutes "unnecessary".

DS

"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
n.umich.edu...
>
>> You'll be happy to know that an Oregon state legislator, Mitch Greenlick
>> (D-Portland) introduced a bill that would make the production of
>> unnecessarily loud noise on a vehicle an offense, punishable by a fine
>> of up to $720. If you're interested, it's House Bill 2822.
>
> Uh-huh. Except that laws which contain terms like "unnecessarily loud" or
> "unnecessarily bright" or "unnecessarily glaring" are unenforceable,
> 'cause there's no objective standard of what constitutes "unnecessary".

That's just a logistics problem--when and if it passes out of committee, all
they'll need to do is set a decibel level threshold. Thurston County in
Washington State did this in the 1980s and enforced it assiduously.

We've already decided what's unnecessary here on the board

In article >,
Skip Elliott Bowman > wrote:
>"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
in.umich.edu...
>>
>>> You'll be happy to know that an Oregon state legislator, Mitch Greenlick
>>> (D-Portland) introduced a bill that would make the production of
>>> unnecessarily loud noise on a vehicle an offense, punishable by a fine
>>> of up to $720. If you're interested, it's House Bill 2822.
>>
>> Uh-huh. Except that laws which contain terms like "unnecessarily loud" or
>> "unnecessarily bright" or "unnecessarily glaring" are unenforceable,
>> 'cause there's no objective standard of what constitutes "unnecessary".
>
>That's just a logistics problem

Has nothing to do with logistics

>--when and if it passes out of committee, all
>they'll need to do is set a decibel level threshold.

Which has nothing to do with necessity.
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.

"Matthew Russotto" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Skip Elliott Bowman > wrote:
>>"Daniel J. Stern" > wrote in message
gin.umich.edu...
>>>
>>>> You'll be happy to know that an Oregon state legislator, Mitch
>>>> Greenlick
>>>> (D-Portland) introduced a bill that would make the production of
>>>> unnecessarily loud noise on a vehicle an offense, punishable by a fine
>>>> of up to $720. If you're interested, it's House Bill 2822.
>>>
>>> Uh-huh. Except that laws which contain terms like "unnecessarily loud"
>>> or
>>> "unnecessarily bright" or "unnecessarily glaring" are unenforceable,
>>> 'cause there's no objective standard of what constitutes "unnecessary".
>>
>>That's just a logistics problem
>
> Has nothing to do with logistics

Huh?

>>--when and if it passes out of committee, all
>>they'll need to do is set a decibel level threshold.
>
> Which has nothing to do with necessity.

Neither of your responses made a lick of sense, Matthew. I take it at least
you don't live next to a property that uses gas-powered leaf blowers at 7
am?

Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> > You'll be happy to know that an Oregon state legislator, Mitch
Greenlick
> > (D-Portland) introduced a bill that would make the production of
> > unnecessarily loud noise on a vehicle an offense, punishable by a
fine
> > of up to $720. If you're interested, it's House Bill 2822.
>
> Uh-huh. Except that laws which contain terms like "unnecessarily
loud" or
> "unnecessarily bright" or "unnecessarily glaring" are unenforceable,
> 'cause there's no objective standard of what constitutes
"unnecessary".
>
> DS

Well, there's already standards, or at least guidelines for
"unnecessarily glaring..."

Oh, right. I'll shut up now.

nate

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On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, N8N wrote:

>
> Daniel J. Stern wrote:
> > > You'll be happy to know that an Oregon state legislator, Mitch
> Greenlick
> > > (D-Portland) introduced a bill that would make the production of
> > > unnecessarily loud noise on a vehicle an offense, punishable by a
> fine
> > > of up to $720. If you're interested, it's House Bill 2822.
> >
> > Uh-huh. Except that laws which contain terms like "unnecessarily
> loud" or
> > "unnecessarily bright" or "unnecessarily glaring" are unenforceable,
> > 'cause there's no objective standard of what constitutes
> "unnecessary".
> >
> > DS
>
> Well, there's already standards, or at least guidelines for
> "unnecessarily glaring..."
>
> Oh, right. I'll shut up now.
>
> nate
>
>