134a Refrigerant

Earle Horton wrote:
> "Note that the profile is bimolal at low pressures indicating a possible
> contamination problem."
>
> When one is talking about parts per trillion (ppt) then a "possible
> contamination problem" could account for the whole graph. I worked in a lab
> once, where a master's degree candidate's thesis research results were
> determined to be artifact. The degree granting process was rushed through,
> before anyone on the committee read the relevant articles, because "It is
> just a master's thesis". This is so much more important, a debate on
> Usenet, and you are obligated to be more careful.
>
> "The gaps indicate regions where the pumps were turned off because of
> overheating." Or maybe gaps exist, because there was no detectable CFC-11
> at those altitudes? I am afraid that this page doesn't show much, except
> for the presence of dots on a graph. Do you have any higher quality data?
>

Yea,I saw that low pressure out-gassing as well, but noted it
disappeared at higher pressures as would be expected. How about the
first science run: http://www.cmdl.noaa.gov/hats/airborne/lace/lace11.html

BTW, the AC in my 2000 Cherokee works great with R134a, and my Wrangler
doesn't need AC since it rarely has a top on in the summer. My kids are
much more important to me than saving a couple of bucks on a recharge or
retrofit.

--
jeff

"Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
...
> has influenced billions of dollars worth
> of decisions

NOW youre onto something. duponts patent runs out, immediately its "bad for
the environment".

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"Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
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> Thus higher mass constituents, such as oxygen and nitrogen, fall off more
> quickly than lighter constituents

thanks for making my point stephen. heavier falls, lighter rises. :-)


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"Earle Horton" > wrote in message
news:1120159900.1fd3705bb23317a3dbaca9de10815694@t eranews...
> "Note that the profile is bimolal at low pressures indicating a possible
> contamination problem."
>
> When one is talking about parts per trillion (ppt) then a "possible
> contamination problem" could account for the whole graph.

bullseye earle. the enviro-whackos make this crap up as they go along and
_always_ (in every link they publish) leave a way out for when theyre proven
wrong.

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"jeff" > wrote in message
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> My kids are much more important to me than saving a couple of bucks on a
> recharge or retrofit.

are you actually suggesting that running your air conditioner will kill the
world for your kids?

BUWHAHAHA!


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"Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
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> Funny how I'm crumbling with my foot on your
> neck

put the crack pipe down. :-)

....too ignorant to debate logic and fact, to foolish to know when to shut
up, and to stupid to think that you can actually fool anybody by declaring
victory which youve done at least a dozen times. lol

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"Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
...

"Nathan W. Collier" > wrote in message
...
> "Stephen Cowell" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > I know I'm right, Nate... so does everyone else.
>
> bandwagon argument might get you somewhere with preschoolers but it just
> doesnt fly here.

>Where's the support? Aside from poor Bill, who thinks that
> air can't cross the Equator... Who's stepped up to bat for
>your theories?


youre really having that much trouble understanding what ive said? _youre_
the one singing the bandwagon song. i dont need the "support" that youre
begging for.



>Suva is HCFC based, so it's *much* less of
>a problem

uh-huh....so its "ok" to vent it? are you suggesting that once cfcs are
totally phased out that youll be content? absolutely not....youre a whiny
liberal and you always have to be controlling something. youll never be
satiated and when youre crying about the hazards of the hcfcs ill be the
first to remind you that you said it wasnt much of a problem. :-)


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"L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message
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> Pity, Stevie you're so clueless, I doubt that you have any common
> sense, at all.

of course not bill. stephen is a seminar liberal parrot who is repeating
what he has been taught to say. put him in a situation where he would have
to think for himself and he'll choke.

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"Earle Horton" > wrote in message =
news:1120140366.a80f04f5d34fe97da0bb5204efa0faa0@t eranews...
> Stevie, I live in Silverton, CO, where the "insiders" are all insane,
> mentally retarded, or both. They don't even consider themselves =
subject to
> the laws of Colorado, which is libertarian by most people's standards. =
You
> appear to be the kind of guy who really enjoys beating his head =
against a
> wall. You should come up here and help me teach the local idiots some
> respect, with your vast knowledge and all...

Sorry, Earle... I choose to live in Austin, because I like it here. You
might look at living somewhere where the folks agree with you more...
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Steve
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"L.W. (=DFill) Hughes III" > wrote in message =
...
> Stevie, your links make no mention of Chlorine or Fluorine which is =
what
> we were arguing about in Chlorofluorocarbons and only confirm their
> absents, even in the parts per million. Fortunately the atmosphere has
> carbon, because that's what every living thing is made of. You can =
snow
> a Snowbird, but you can't sh*t a ****bird

Bill, back in your cage! We'll ring the bell when
inane time rolls around again.
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Steve
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