Sludge

Just had my 2.7 Intrepid die to the good sludge which seems to ails
these engines. My body and Interior are in great shape so a rebuild or
swap might be worth it. Finding a 2.7 is a quest however I see alot of
3.2 and 3.5 from 300M available @ lower price tags. Does anyone know
how difficult the swap from the 2.7 to the 3.2 or 3.5 is, and if any
other mods are needed for this swap? Not to thrilled about swaping
another 2.7 only to have same problem down the line again...can anyone
adivse?

wrote:

> Just had my 2.7 Intrepid die to the good sludge which seems to ails
> these engines. My body and Interior are in great shape so a rebuild or
> swap might be worth it. Finding a 2.7 is a quest however I see alot of
> 3.2 and 3.5 from 300M available @ lower price tags. Does anyone know
> how difficult the swap from the 2.7 to the 3.2 or 3.5 is, and if any
> other mods are needed for this swap? Not to thrilled about swaping
> another 2.7 only to have same problem down the line again...can anyone
> adivse?
>

Seems that someone out there thinks that replacing the 2.7 with a 3.2 is
not only good, but that they can make a profit at supporting it:

http://www.2-7-fix.com/4436.html

FWIW, the 3.5 is externally identical to a 3.2, so if you want the added
power you can go that route pretty easily.

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 wrote:

> Just had my 2.7 Intrepid die to the good sludge which seems to ails
> these engines. My body and Interior are in great shape so a rebuild or
> swap might be worth it. Finding a 2.7 is a quest however I see alot of
> 3.2 and 3.5 from 300M available @ lower price tags. Does anyone know how
> difficult the swap from the 2.7 to the 3.2 or 3.5 is, and if any other
> mods are needed for this swap? Not to thrilled about swaping another 2.7
> only to have same problem down the line again...can anyone adivse?

Definitely possible.

This guy sells swap kits:
http://www.2-7-fix.com/index2.html

And these guys are talking about it:
http://www.dodgeintrepid.net/forums/...ad.php?t=39677

DS

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Just had my 2.7 Intrepid die to the good sludge which seems to ails
> these engines. My body and Interior are in great shape so a rebuild or
> swap might be worth it. Finding a 2.7 is a quest however I see alot of
> 3.2 and 3.5 from 300M available @ lower price tags. Does anyone know
> how difficult the swap from the 2.7 to the 3.2 or 3.5 is, and if any
> other mods are needed for this swap? Not to thrilled about swaping
> another 2.7 only to have same problem down the line again...can anyone
> adivse?
>
If the state you live in has an emission test for your car, you may want to
look into what could happen if it fails the test, That would be considered
tampering with emissions if you swap out the engine and controller.
Glenn Beasley
Chrysler Tech

maxpower wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>
>>Just had my 2.7 Intrepid die to the good sludge which seems to ails
>>these engines. My body and Interior are in great shape so a rebuild or
>>swap might be worth it. Finding a 2.7 is a quest however I see alot of
>>3.2 and 3.5 from 300M available @ lower price tags. Does anyone know
>>how difficult the swap from the 2.7 to the 3.2 or 3.5 is, and if any
>>other mods are needed for this swap? Not to thrilled about swaping
>>another 2.7 only to have same problem down the line again...can anyone
>>adivse?
>>
>
> If the state you live in has an emission test for your car, you may want to
> look into what could happen if it fails the test, That would be considered
> tampering with emissions if you swap out the engine and controller.
> Glenn Beasley
> Chrysler Tech


If that's what the law says, then, as the saying goes, the law is an
ass. What's magic about surrounding a given engine and control computer
with a given body? Answer: nothing. IOW, if the engine/computer combo
has trouble passing emissions in a green Intrepid body, then it would
have had trouble passing emissions in a pink donor 300M body.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')

Could you provide a bit more info? Specifically: What year? Were you the
original owner? How many miles when it died? What was the maintenance
history, especially regarding oil changes? What type & supplier of oil and
filter was used? Were there any early symptoms of pending failure and if
so, what were they?

Thanks in advance since there are lots of us out here with the 2.7 and we
would like to learn what works (and more importantly what doesn't which is
where you come in). Sorry to hear of your problems. I also own an older
3.5L Intrepid and it is a nice engine if you decide to go that route. Good
luck with the swap.

Bob

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Just had my 2.7 Intrepid die to the good sludge which seems to ails
> these engines. My body and Interior are in great shape so a rebuild or
> swap might be worth it. Finding a 2.7 is a quest however I see alot of
> 3.2 and 3.5 from 300M available @ lower price tags. Does anyone know
> how difficult the swap from the 2.7 to the 3.2 or 3.5 is, and if any
> other mods are needed for this swap? Not to thrilled about swaping
> another 2.7 only to have same problem down the line again...can anyone
> adivse?
>

Daniel J. Stern wrote:

> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 wrote:
>
>
>>Just had my 2.7 Intrepid die to the good sludge which seems to ails
>>these engines. My body and Interior are in great shape so a rebuild or
>>swap might be worth it. Finding a 2.7 is a quest however I see alot of
>>3.2 and 3.5 from 300M available @ lower price tags. Does anyone know how
>>difficult the swap from the 2.7 to the 3.2 or 3.5 is, and if any other
>>mods are needed for this swap? Not to thrilled about swaping another 2.7
>>only to have same problem down the line again...can anyone adivse?
>
>
> Definitely possible.


> ...And these guys are talking about it:
> http://www.dodgeintrepid.net/forums/...ad.php?t=39677
>
> DS

Absolutely - almost constantly. You can find everything you need to
know about it there, including what years of what computers will work
with what years of what engines and vehicles, all parts needed, sources,
etc. Use their search function and the How To section.

Also, you may also be glad to know that the 2.7L engine core value is a
few hundred dollars due to demand (i.e., failure rate).

When you finish the swap, you will have a cherished combination: A
larger engine with the higher gear ratio that came with the 2.7L engine
(at the cost of lower fuel mileage). People paid extra money for that
combination in the 300M Special.

Bill Putney
(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
adddress with the letter 'x')

"Bill Putney" > wrote in message
...
> maxpower wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> >
> >>Just had my 2.7 Intrepid die to the good sludge which seems to ails
> >>these engines. My body and Interior are in great shape so a rebuild or
> >>swap might be worth it. Finding a 2.7 is a quest however I see alot of
> >>3.2 and 3.5 from 300M available @ lower price tags. Does anyone know
> >>how difficult the swap from the 2.7 to the 3.2 or 3.5 is, and if any
> >>other mods are needed for this swap? Not to thrilled about swaping
> >>another 2.7 only to have same problem down the line again...can anyone
> >>adivse?
> >>
> >
> > If the state you live in has an emission test for your car, you may want
to
> > look into what could happen if it fails the test, That would be
considered
> > tampering with emissions if you swap out the engine and controller.
> > Glenn Beasley
> > Chrysler Tech
>
>
> If that's what the law says, then, as the saying goes, the law is an
> ass. What's magic about surrounding a given engine and control computer
> with a given body? Answer: nothing. IOW, if the engine/computer combo
> has trouble passing emissions in a green Intrepid body, then it would
> have had trouble passing emissions in a pink donor 300M body.
>
> Bill Putney
> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
> adddress with the letter 'x')

In the state I live in if the Vehicle emissions label does not meet what the
car is equipped with it automatically fails, if the sticker says it has an
EGR and another engine was installed without an EGR it fails. If a 2.7 litre
engine fails a test and the label states it is a 2.7 and a 3.2 was installed
in its place, we are told that it fails. I don't write the laws and
regulations im just suggesting the original OP checks into it.......I agree
with you Bill But when it comes to politics. WE loose!!!
Send that to your congressman

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Bill Putney wrote:

> maxpower wrote:

> > If the state you live in has an emission test for your car, you may
> > want to look into what could happen if it fails the test, That would
> > be considered tampering with emissions if you swap out the engine and
> > controller.

> If that's what the law says, then, as the saying goes, the law is an
> ass.

Halfassed information from Glenn "Maxpower" Beasley, as usual. Federal
laws, which trump any contradictory state laws, say that engines with
emissions systems may be swapped as long as the replacement engine system
are of the same or newer model year as the original.

DS

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:16:42 -0400, Bill Putney >
wrote:

>maxpower wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>>
>>>Just had my 2.7 Intrepid die to the good sludge which seems to ails
>>>these engines. My body and Interior are in great shape so a rebuild or
>>>swap might be worth it. Finding a 2.7 is a quest however I see alot of
>>>3.2 and 3.5 from 300M available @ lower price tags. Does anyone know
>>>how difficult the swap from the 2.7 to the 3.2 or 3.5 is, and if any
>>>other mods are needed for this swap? Not to thrilled about swaping
>>>another 2.7 only to have same problem down the line again...can anyone
>>>adivse?
>>>
>>

As long as the engine was available in that car that year you can
safely do it with NO repercussions - as long as you change everything.
You will need to let the inspection station know - but if you don't
and the 3.2 / 3.5 passes the 2.7 spec, no foul.
>> If the state you live in has an emission test for your car, you may want to
>> look into what could happen if it fails the test, That would be considered
>> tampering with emissions if you swap out the engine and controller.
>> Glenn Beasley
>> Chrysler Tech
>
>
>If that's what the law says, then, as the saying goes, the law is an
>ass. What's magic about surrounding a given engine and control computer
>with a given body? Answer: nothing. IOW, if the engine/computer combo
>has trouble passing emissions in a green Intrepid body, then it would
>have had trouble passing emissions in a pink donor 300M body.
>
>Bill Putney
>(To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my
>adddress with the letter 'x')