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GM kills Saturn after Penske ends deal. Obama Motors announces "Yugo" rebirth.
REVOLUTION
DAS To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling" --- "rob" > wrote in message g.com... >i figure top posting is no where near as evil as bottom feeding......LOL > > > "Bill Putney" > wrote in message > ... >> Can I get in on this? >> >> -- >> Bill Putney >> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >> address with the letter 'x') >> >> >> rob wrote: >>> top posting >>> top posting >>> top posting >>> top posting >>> >>> >>> "Arif Khokar" > wrote in message >>> ... >>> On Oct 6, 5:45 pm, Brent > wrote: >>>> On 2009-10-06, Dori A Schmetterling > wrote: >>> >>>>> You failed to give a real example of a 'victimless' crime. >>> >>>> If you need that pointed out to you, you're beyond hope. >>> >>> Anyone who intentionally top-posts is beyond hope. That's why I >>> killfiled that person years ago. > > |
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GM kills Saturn after Penske ends deal. Obama Motors announces"Yugo" rebirth.
Brent wrote:
> On 2009-10-09, Licker > wrote: >> Brent >> >> I come to realize that it seems you have a disrespect for law enforcement >> officers. > > No, they have disrespect for me as a free man. Oh, I forget, "respect" > for law enforcement officers means groveling and submissive obedence to > them. That of course doesn't jive well with 'cops are hired by us to > protect us', but it goes well with cops working for the rulers. > >> You seem to search just for the bad news. > > I don't search it out at all. I just run across it. I stated as much > earlier. > >> Well as an ex sheriff >> deputies (15 years of service 10 fulltime and 5 as a volunteer). I seen >> both sides good cops and bad. Although I never witness any thing that would >> have broken the law, I personally would not have acted that same way. > > Notice, ex. Which means you're not a cop fresh back from the occupation > of Iraq suffering from PTSD. This sort of cop gets violently angry if > someone shows the least bit displeasure with his actions. Such as if the > cop, too busy with his cell phone call, turned left in front of an > ordinary person while that person had the right of way. The ranks of > cops today have many such unstable people to the degree that one > is best to avoid as much interaction with cops in general as much as > possible because of the great harm a cop can do. > >> Example, there was a slight mentally challenged individual living in the >> area. He had no drivers license yet he drove a truck. Every time he got >> caught by certain officers he would physically fight them including throwing >> a dew over the hoods of his truck or their patrol cars. If you pulled him >> over and spoke with him and told him he messed up he would stick his hands >> out and wait for you to handcuff him but only from the front. He would then >> walk to the back of the patrol car and get in the back on his own. The >> bottom line is he did not like to be man handled and those that tried had to >> fight with him. > > That's perfectly normal thing for a person to do, defend himself from > aggression. > >> During my years of experience, I learned to elevated my voice when need to >> gain control of the situation but also learned to start off with respect >> unless it elevated. > > That's not what's done today. I am walking home with my dinner and a cop > slams his cruiser to a stop, jumps out, runs over to me and screams "I > WANT TO TALK TO YOU". The other three were far more respectful, but I > wasn't about to "respect" that lead cop one bit. The only respect he got > was due to his ability harm me legally, which means I complied with his > orders but made sure it was clearly against my will. Simply, he made it > clear that violence was his main tool and he got the respect of someone > operating under such a condition. > >> From what I seen on the streets from my experience is >> more and more of disrespect for law enforcement officers right from the >> moment of first contact. Just like the video you had of the student walking >> away from the officer is the start of disrespect. > > Ahh... here we go... I knew it would come down to that. I'm sorry, but > the idea that a cop can order someone to 'tuck in his shirt' is simply > absurd and the cop got the respect such an order demanded, ignoring it. > It's not "disrepect" to ignore such things, it's what should be done. > >> We don't know from the >> video how many times he and the officer had words prior to the incident. > > So what? It's never excuse for us mere mortals that we've had taken all > we could up to that point, so why should it be an excuse for our > 'betters', the cops? > >> I >> not trying to take up for the officer because he was wrong for even pushing >> the kid but the kid does bear some responsibility for his own actions. > > Yeah, he didn't bow to his masters' agent, the cop, I guess. Last I > heard school isn't technically prison, although it becomes more like it > as time goes on. > >> I seen many kids arrested in my short law enforcement career. The same >> attitude I received from the kids is what you get from the parents when the >> come to the jail house. The cop is only picking on my kid. Shame of you >> for picking on my kid with a bunch of MF and other curse words mixed in with >> it. > > Well, I was the kid that 'respected' cops and never got into trouble. > Cops themselves changed my view of cops. It started when I first started > driving and had my first interaction with an IL state trooper. It was > nice how he purposely sprayed rocks on the freshly painted car I was > driving... my crime? I slowed down when he was severely tailgating me. > With rare exception that is how I've been treated by cops. When you get > enough of it, you stop believing it's just 'a few bad apples'. > >> Not all cops are bad but we are taught in the police academy that you must >> control the situation by using your voice or other means of imitimadation to >> keep the situation from escalating. > > Did they teach you that some people don't react well to intimidation and > doing that is turning people against cops? > >> Another change is many departments are under staff. The officers are >> handling more dispatch items today then they were 10 years ago. Just the >> small department I was with had a 1500 calls a month when I was there back >> in 1996 when I left and today speaking with friends on the force that are >> handling over 5000 calls a month with two additional officers then when I >> was there. This puts the officer in a very stressful position going from >> one call to another. So if you call about something stolen they could care >> less it probably because they are overworked. > > That's going to happen when cops are used to manage so many aspects of > people's lives that government wants to be involved in. This can be > solved easily, let people be free. Just think how much free time there > would be if the prohibitions on some drugs ended? Of course the ability > to take people's stuff as loot would be greatly diminished. > >> Police work is no longer proactive it is reactive. I had time in my days to >> patrol the neighborhoods. I even had time to get out and speak with them I >> may not have knew everyone name but I knew their face and that they lived in >> on a certain street. I would patrol for 250 to 300 miles a shift driving my >> patrol area. I had time to drive slow through many areas looking for and >> stopping trouble before it happens. Today's law enforcement is just going >> from one call to the next. > > So you admit today is far different. Excuse me for not holding on to > images from earlier times. Over and over again you are demonstrating that your feelings are a product of the area you have lived in. I'll say it again, believe it or not - you seem to deny every suggestion of it: Corruption (the local and area governments) begets corruption (in the legal system and law enforcement). You're right about one thing - times have changed. Our society and culture have become much "coarser" (for lack of a better word) than it used to be. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy on both sides when that happens - the cops become meaner for the absolute scum they have to deal with and the people lose respect for the cops, and the cycle feeds on itself. Again - it isn't like that everywhere - not by a long shot. You don't seem to want to believe it. -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') |
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GM kills Saturn after Penske ends deal. Obama Motors announces"Yugo" rebirth.
hls wrote:
> > "Brent" > wrote in message > ... >> On 2009-10-09, Licker > wrote: >>> Brent >>> >>> I come to realize that it seems you have a disrespect for law >>> enforcement >>> officers. >> >> No, they have disrespect for me as a free man. > > I'll have to admit, I had more respect for the police in Europe that I do > here. They have tended to be educated, helpful, and mutually respectful. > > Here, we tend to avoid being noticed by policemen, even though we may > have done nothing. > > We have a situation going on now in my home county where some of the > police and public officials are now the target of a class action suit. > They > were accused of being a bit aggressive about profiling, stopping, and > confiscating money and jewelry from people, although not filing charges > against them. > > The "system" viewed anyone who had considerable amounts of cash on them > (not "considerable" to me, but from hundreds of dollars to a few > thousands) as being money launderers. > > Over 150 people are taking part in this lawsuit. > > The local DA has been refused defense money by the county and the state, > but had the cojones to request that she be able to use these "forfeited" > funds > to pay her lawyers fees. Unlikely..... > > This doesnt help the relationship between citizens and "the law". Once again - corruption begets corruption - and disrespect all around. -- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') |
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GM kills Saturn after Penske ends deal. Obama Motors announces"Yugo" rebirth.
You're an anarchist! LOL!
-- Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') Dori A Schmetterling wrote: > REVOLUTION > > DAS > > To send an e-mail directly replace "spam" with "schmetterling" > --- > "rob" > wrote in message > g.com... >> i figure top posting is no where near as evil as bottom feeding......LOL >> >> >> "Bill Putney" > wrote in message >> ... >>> Can I get in on this? >>> >>> -- >>> Bill Putney >>> (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my >>> address with the letter 'x') >>> >>> >>> rob wrote: >>>> top posting >>>> top posting >>>> top posting >>>> top posting >>>> >>>> >>>> "Arif Khokar" > wrote in message >>>> ... >>>> On Oct 6, 5:45 pm, Brent > wrote: >>>>> On 2009-10-06, Dori A Schmetterling > wrote: >>>>>> You failed to give a real example of a 'victimless' crime. >>>>> If you need that pointed out to you, you're beyond hope. >>>> Anyone who intentionally top-posts is beyond hope. That's why I >>>> killfiled that person years ago. >> > > |
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GM kills Saturn after Penske ends deal. Obama Motors announces "Yugo" rebirth.
On 2009-10-10, Bill Putney > wrote:
> You're right about one thing - times have changed. Our society and > culture have become much "coarser" (for lack of a better word) than it > used to be. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy on both sides when > that happens - the cops become meaner for the absolute scum they have to > deal with and the people lose respect for the cops, and the cycle feeds > on itself. Again - it isn't like that everywhere - not by a long shot. > You don't seem to want to believe it. It's only a matter of degree and maybe time as far as I can tell. Even areas one would never think of are now effected: http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...ves/35296.html The story links expired but it is refering to this: http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?opt...48&Ite mid=53 http://www2.wspa.com/spa/news/local/...4_weeks/27744/ http://reason.com/blog/2009/10/07/up...orgia-pastor-k And take a look who has control of the federal government now. He's brought c(r)ook county to the nation in a big way and people deny that as well. |
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