1993 Caravan OH console on a '92...?

Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:02:09 -0400, clare wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:31:42 -0400, Hachiroku ???? > wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:57:33 -0700, wws wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm always looking for something for free. Isn't that what the
>>>>> Internet, and especially the groups for? To pick brains?
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than that, will the $25 cover only ONE vehicle, or the 4 I have
>>>>> on the road currently?
>>>> I wouldn't say pick.
>>>> I would however say share.
>>>> Everyone brings something to the table. Your wiring fable says to me
>>>> you have not seen even one wire, much less counted them.
>>> Does anyone know WTF this idiot is talking about? "Wiring fable"? I used
>>> to wire up large aircraft engine controls, point to point.
>>>
>>> So here's the fable: I have a bundle of wires sticking out from the
>>> headliner that are supposed to attach to an overhead console. The
>>> connector has been cut off. So, do you have an idea what wire goes where,
>>> or where I can get a wiring diagram so I can rewire it myself, or are you
>>> just going to be a big mouth with nothing to say, but are going to say
>>> it anyway?
>> Go to youtr local library and see if they have a manual. Second
>> choice subscribe to Aldata or see if anyone around your area has the
>> computerised manuals that can print you out the diagram. Can't remember
>> the name of the program - but most garages use either it or Aldata now.
>
> I actuall did find a reference in a Dodge forum, with a link to the manual
> pages.
>
> The only problem I have with Alldata is the way it is used. I brought a
> car to a place for a timing belt and a water pump. The belt drives the
> water pump, so when you remove the belt, the pump is right there, right?
>
> OK, so then "Flat Rate" comes into play: They have to remove the covers,
> idlers, etc to get the belt out. The water pump is three more bolts. The
> were going to charge me the price, according to Alldata's "Flat Rate" to
> change the timing belt, and THEN charge me Alldata's "Flat rate" to remove
> the water pump, which means charging me for the removal and reinsatllation
> of the timing belt ALL OVER AGAIN!!! Pay for labor you're doing once,
> twice? No thanks.
>
>
>
Every garage I have ever used for major repairs, always assumed a water
pump swapout was part of a timing belt change, and quoted it that way.
Not many people keep a car long enough for a timing belt change, and
those that do usually know why they should be changed at the same time.

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On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:53:15 -0400, aemeijers wrote:

> Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/ wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:02:09 -0400, clare wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 10:31:42 -0400, Hachiroku ???? >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 10 Apr 2010 19:57:33 -0700, wws wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm always looking for something for free. Isn't that what the
>>>>>> Internet, and especially the groups for? To pick brains?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than that, will the $25 cover only ONE vehicle, or the 4 I
>>>>>> have on the road currently?
>>>>> I wouldn't say pick.
>>>>> I would however say share.
>>>>> Everyone brings something to the table. Your wiring fable says to me
>>>>> you have not seen even one wire, much less counted them.
>>>> Does anyone know WTF this idiot is talking about? "Wiring fable"? I
>>>> used to wire up large aircraft engine controls, point to point.
>>>>
>>>> So here's the fable: I have a bundle of wires sticking out from the
>>>> headliner that are supposed to attach to an overhead console. The
>>>> connector has been cut off. So, do you have an idea what wire goes
>>>> where, or where I can get a wiring diagram so I can rewire it myself,
>>>> or are you just going to be a big mouth with nothing to say, but are
>>>> going to say it anyway?
>>> Go to youtr local library and see if they have a manual. Second
>>> choice subscribe to Aldata or see if anyone around your area has the
>>> computerised manuals that can print you out the diagram. Can't remember
>>> the name of the program - but most garages use either it or Aldata now.
>>
>> I actuall did find a reference in a Dodge forum, with a link to the
>> manual pages.
>>
>> The only problem I have with Alldata is the way it is used. I brought a
>> car to a place for a timing belt and a water pump. The belt drives the
>> water pump, so when you remove the belt, the pump is right there, right?
>>
>> OK, so then "Flat Rate" comes into play: They have to remove the covers,
>> idlers, etc to get the belt out. The water pump is three more bolts. The
>> were going to charge me the price, according to Alldata's "Flat Rate" to
>> change the timing belt, and THEN charge me Alldata's "Flat rate" to
>> remove the water pump, which means charging me for the removal and
>> reinsatllation of the timing belt ALL OVER AGAIN!!! Pay for labor you're
>> doing once, twice? No thanks.
>>
>>
>>
> Every garage I have ever used for major repairs, always assumed a water
> pump swapout was part of a timing belt change, and quoted it that way. Not
> many people keep a car long enough for a timing belt change, and those
> that do usually know why they should be changed at the same time.

I just wait till mine break, usually at the edge of the middle of nowhere,
at 5:00 in the afternoon, on a Friday...

Good thing I have non-interference engines...