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>i figure top posting is no where near as evil as bottom feeding......LOL
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> "Bill Putney" > wrote in message
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>> Can I get in on this?
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>> Bill Putney
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>> rob wrote:
>>> top posting
>>> top posting
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>>> "Arif Khokar" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> On Oct 6, 5:45 pm, Brent > wrote:
>>>> On 2009-10-06, Dori A Schmetterling > wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You failed to give a real example of a 'victimless' crime.
>>>
>>>> If you need that pointed out to you, you're beyond hope.
>>>
>>> Anyone who intentionally top-posts is beyond hope. That's why I
>>> killfiled that person years ago.
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>

Brent wrote:
> On 2009-10-09, Licker > wrote:
>> Brent
>>
>> I come to realize that it seems you have a disrespect for law enforcement
>> officers.
>
> No, they have disrespect for me as a free man. Oh, I forget, "respect"
> for law enforcement officers means groveling and submissive obedence to
> them. That of course doesn't jive well with 'cops are hired by us to
> protect us', but it goes well with cops working for the rulers.
>
>> You seem to search just for the bad news.
>
> I don't search it out at all. I just run across it. I stated as much
> earlier.
>
>> Well as an ex sheriff
>> deputies (15 years of service 10 fulltime and 5 as a volunteer). I seen
>> both sides good cops and bad. Although I never witness any thing that would
>> have broken the law, I personally would not have acted that same way.
>
> Notice, ex. Which means you're not a cop fresh back from the occupation
> of Iraq suffering from PTSD. This sort of cop gets violently angry if
> someone shows the least bit displeasure with his actions. Such as if the
> cop, too busy with his cell phone call, turned left in front of an
> ordinary person while that person had the right of way. The ranks of
> cops today have many such unstable people to the degree that one
> is best to avoid as much interaction with cops in general as much as
> possible because of the great harm a cop can do.
>
>> Example, there was a slight mentally challenged individual living in the
>> area. He had no drivers license yet he drove a truck. Every time he got
>> caught by certain officers he would physically fight them including throwing
>> a dew over the hoods of his truck or their patrol cars. If you pulled him
>> over and spoke with him and told him he messed up he would stick his hands
>> out and wait for you to handcuff him but only from the front. He would then
>> walk to the back of the patrol car and get in the back on his own. The
>> bottom line is he did not like to be man handled and those that tried had to
>> fight with him.
>
> That's perfectly normal thing for a person to do, defend himself from
> aggression.
>
>> During my years of experience, I learned to elevated my voice when need to
>> gain control of the situation but also learned to start off with respect
>> unless it elevated.
>
> That's not what's done today. I am walking home with my dinner and a cop
> slams his cruiser to a stop, jumps out, runs over to me and screams "I
> WANT TO TALK TO YOU". The other three were far more respectful, but I
> wasn't about to "respect" that lead cop one bit. The only respect he got
> was due to his ability harm me legally, which means I complied with his
> orders but made sure it was clearly against my will. Simply, he made it
> clear that violence was his main tool and he got the respect of someone
> operating under such a condition.
>
>> From what I seen on the streets from my experience is
>> more and more of disrespect for law enforcement officers right from the
>> moment of first contact. Just like the video you had of the student walking
>> away from the officer is the start of disrespect.
>
> Ahh... here we go... I knew it would come down to that. I'm sorry, but
> the idea that a cop can order someone to 'tuck in his shirt' is simply
> absurd and the cop got the respect such an order demanded, ignoring it.
> It's not "disrepect" to ignore such things, it's what should be done.
>
>> We don't know from the
>> video how many times he and the officer had words prior to the incident.
>
> So what? It's never excuse for us mere mortals that we've had taken all
> we could up to that point, so why should it be an excuse for our
> 'betters', the cops?
>
>> I
>> not trying to take up for the officer because he was wrong for even pushing
>> the kid but the kid does bear some responsibility for his own actions.
>
> Yeah, he didn't bow to his masters' agent, the cop, I guess. Last I
> heard school isn't technically prison, although it becomes more like it
> as time goes on.
>
>> I seen many kids arrested in my short law enforcement career. The same
>> attitude I received from the kids is what you get from the parents when the
>> come to the jail house. The cop is only picking on my kid. Shame of you
>> for picking on my kid with a bunch of MF and other curse words mixed in with
>> it.
>
> Well, I was the kid that 'respected' cops and never got into trouble.
> Cops themselves changed my view of cops. It started when I first started
> driving and had my first interaction with an IL state trooper. It was
> nice how he purposely sprayed rocks on the freshly painted car I was
> driving... my crime? I slowed down when he was severely tailgating me.
> With rare exception that is how I've been treated by cops. When you get
> enough of it, you stop believing it's just 'a few bad apples'.
>
>> Not all cops are bad but we are taught in the police academy that you must
>> control the situation by using your voice or other means of imitimadation to
>> keep the situation from escalating.
>
> Did they teach you that some people don't react well to intimidation and
> doing that is turning people against cops?
>
>> Another change is many departments are under staff. The officers are
>> handling more dispatch items today then they were 10 years ago. Just the
>> small department I was with had a 1500 calls a month when I was there back
>> in 1996 when I left and today speaking with friends on the force that are
>> handling over 5000 calls a month with two additional officers then when I
>> was there. This puts the officer in a very stressful position going from
>> one call to another. So if you call about something stolen they could care
>> less it probably because they are overworked.
>
> That's going to happen when cops are used to manage so many aspects of
> people's lives that government wants to be involved in. This can be
> solved easily, let people be free. Just think how much free time there
> would be if the prohibitions on some drugs ended? Of course the ability
> to take people's stuff as loot would be greatly diminished.
>
>> Police work is no longer proactive it is reactive. I had time in my days to
>> patrol the neighborhoods. I even had time to get out and speak with them I
>> may not have knew everyone name but I knew their face and that they lived in
>> on a certain street. I would patrol for 250 to 300 miles a shift driving my
>> patrol area. I had time to drive slow through many areas looking for and
>> stopping trouble before it happens. Today's law enforcement is just going
>> from one call to the next.
>
> So you admit today is far different. Excuse me for not holding on to
> images from earlier times.

Over and over again you are demonstrating that your feelings are a
product of the area you have lived in. I'll say it again, believe it or
not - you seem to deny every suggestion of it: Corruption (the local and
area governments) begets corruption (in the legal system and law
enforcement).

You're right about one thing - times have changed. Our society and
culture have become much "coarser" (for lack of a better word) than it
used to be. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy on both sides when
that happens - the cops become meaner for the absolute scum they have to
deal with and the people lose respect for the cops, and the cycle feeds
on itself. Again - it isn't like that everywhere - not by a long shot.
You don't seem to want to believe it.

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Bill Putney
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hls wrote:
>
> "Brent" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On 2009-10-09, Licker > wrote:
>>> Brent
>>>
>>> I come to realize that it seems you have a disrespect for law
>>> enforcement
>>> officers.
>>
>> No, they have disrespect for me as a free man.
>
> I'll have to admit, I had more respect for the police in Europe that I do
> here. They have tended to be educated, helpful, and mutually respectful.
>
> Here, we tend to avoid being noticed by policemen, even though we may
> have done nothing.
>
> We have a situation going on now in my home county where some of the
> police and public officials are now the target of a class action suit.
> They
> were accused of being a bit aggressive about profiling, stopping, and
> confiscating money and jewelry from people, although not filing charges
> against them.
>
> The "system" viewed anyone who had considerable amounts of cash on them
> (not "considerable" to me, but from hundreds of dollars to a few
> thousands) as being money launderers.
>
> Over 150 people are taking part in this lawsuit.
>
> The local DA has been refused defense money by the county and the state,
> but had the cojones to request that she be able to use these "forfeited"
> funds
> to pay her lawyers fees. Unlikely.....
>
> This doesnt help the relationship between citizens and "the law".

Once again - corruption begets corruption - and disrespect all around.

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You're an anarchist! LOL!

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Dori A Schmetterling wrote:
> REVOLUTION
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> "rob" > wrote in message
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>> i figure top posting is no where near as evil as bottom feeding......LOL
>>
>>
>> "Bill Putney" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Can I get in on this?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bill Putney
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>>>
>>>
>>> rob wrote:
>>>> top posting
>>>> top posting
>>>> top posting
>>>> top posting
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>>>>
>>>> "Arif Khokar" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>> On Oct 6, 5:45 pm, Brent > wrote:
>>>>> On 2009-10-06, Dori A Schmetterling > wrote:
>>>>>> You failed to give a real example of a 'victimless' crime.
>>>>> If you need that pointed out to you, you're beyond hope.
>>>> Anyone who intentionally top-posts is beyond hope. That's why I
>>>> killfiled that person years ago.
>>
>
>

On 2009-10-10, Bill Putney > wrote:

> You're right about one thing - times have changed. Our society and
> culture have become much "coarser" (for lack of a better word) than it
> used to be. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy on both sides when
> that happens - the cops become meaner for the absolute scum they have to
> deal with and the people lose respect for the cops, and the cycle feeds
> on itself. Again - it isn't like that everywhere - not by a long shot.
> You don't seem to want to believe it.

It's only a matter of degree and maybe time as far as I can tell.

Even areas one would never think of are now effected:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewr...ves/35296.html

The story links expired but it is refering to this:
http://www.abpnews.com/index.php?opt...48&Ite mid=53
http://www2.wspa.com/spa/news/local/...4_weeks/27744/
http://reason.com/blog/2009/10/07/up...orgia-pastor-k

And take a look who has control of the federal government now. He's
brought c(r)ook county to the nation in a big way and people deny that
as well.