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Be Grateful for DCX. At Least They Aren't FORD!
Be glad, Jeep lovers, DCX and not Ford got Jeep , and FORD got some
others...too bad for them. If Ford is so great, let them introduce their own Wrangler-like product with horizontal and not vertical bars. Ford isn't so great. The V8 flathead with its three exhaust ports was a piece of dog poop as was Henry's suspension and transmission designs. Carroll Shelby wanted Chev not Ford power, GM had head-up-ass and refused. Ford did make some good engines and the excellent 9" rearend but Chevy ruled because everything interchanged. Chrysler was even worse, ever tried to swap a 318 V8 for a /6 or vice versa in a old work car, more parts than the junker was worth. Every really good Ford idea like PROCO and the 707/710 truck engine was never produced. Daimler Benz built the best recip fighter engine of the war, only the fact their country lost and the failings of the Me109 airframe make it rare today. A Wrangler with VM power is going to be the vehicle to get. |
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If Ford had bought Jeep you would have seen a CJ body on an early-Bronco
frame, along with 9" axle. Not a bad combo. I think Jeep would have done better under Ford than AMC or even DCX. "Ted" > wrote in message oups.com... > Be glad, Jeep lovers, DCX and not Ford got Jeep , and FORD got some > others...too bad for them. > > > If Ford is so great, let them introduce their own Wrangler-like > product with horizontal and not vertical bars. Ford isn't so great. The > V8 flathead with its three exhaust ports was a piece of dog poop as was > Henry's suspension and transmission designs. Carroll Shelby wanted Chev > not Ford power, GM had head-up-ass and refused. Ford did make some good > engines and the excellent 9" rearend but Chevy ruled because everything > interchanged. Chrysler was even worse, ever tried to swap a 318 V8 for > a /6 or vice versa in a old work car, more parts than the junker was > worth. Every really good Ford idea like PROCO and the 707/710 truck > engine was never produced. Daimler Benz built the best recip fighter > engine of the war, only the fact their country lost and the failings of > the Me109 airframe make it rare today. > A Wrangler with VM power is going to be the vehicle to get. > |
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Remember troll, Ford put that one piece V8 in a '32 and sold it new for
five hundred bucks. Of course Chrysler, made their parts to fit one application, to work together, no need to carry the weight and rolling resistance of a heavy duty transmission for a six. God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ Ted wrote: > > Be glad, Jeep lovers, DCX and not Ford got Jeep , and FORD got some > others...too bad for them. > > If Ford is so great, let them introduce their own Wrangler-like > product with horizontal and not vertical bars. Ford isn't so great. The > V8 flathead with its three exhaust ports was a piece of dog poop as was > Henry's suspension and transmission designs. Carroll Shelby wanted Chev > not Ford power, GM had head-up-ass and refused. Ford did make some good > engines and the excellent 9" rearend but Chevy ruled because everything > interchanged. Chrysler was even worse, ever tried to swap a 318 V8 for > a /6 or vice versa in a old work car, more parts than the junker was > worth. Every really good Ford idea like PROCO and the 707/710 truck > engine was never produced. Daimler Benz built the best recip fighter > engine of the war, only the fact their country lost and the failings of > the Me109 airframe make it rare today. > A Wrangler with VM power is going to be the vehicle to get. |
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L=2EW. Hughes III (=DFill) wrote: > Remember troll, Ford put that one piece V8 in a '32 and sold it new for > five hundred bucks. > Of course Chrysler, made their parts to fit one application, to work > together, no need to carry the weight and rolling resistance of a heavy > duty transmission for a six. You are a bigger troll. The trans in the 6 was the same weight as the V8, in fact the 6 was heavier than the 318. No one gave a **** about weight then! They were just making things tough. If they cared about Weight they would have kept the aluminum block and made an aluminum head too. Actually they would have made the 6 with a 4 speed and a three deuces carb setup as the Aussies did. Chrysler made things awkward almost on purpose. When DB made things awkward they had an excuse, engineering went off on a tangent. The Ford flathead V8 was a piece of horse poop with three main bearings and it stunk on ice. The four was a better engine although it didn't have full pressure lube until the end. The American engines that were well built were mostly the Packards and such, it wasn't until the mid to late fifties US tech caught up with Europe in the "popular price" cars. While I'm on the subject, who's the dumbass that came up with Three Deuces....for V-8s? What a DUMB DUMB DUMB peckerwood-ass idea. Six don't go into eight evenly. Not without a three or four foot plenum or a turbocharger. But don't think I'm anti Mopar completely. The Chrysler electronic ignition was the best and the 727 TorqueFlite the best auto trans there was in its day. Rolls Royce wanted to use them but Mopar was uncooperative. RR used THM's-but with THEIR electric shift controller and their superb brake servo arrangement that worked, still does, very well. On the whole, though, there's no question Chrysler engineering was a dim shadow of its once proud past whereas DB has always been absolutely first rate as an engineering firm. |
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Troll,
How many V8s did Chrysler and Chevy have during Ford's flathead era? You really are stupid when it comes to engines and transmissions! Both Ford and Chevy factory experimentals, during the early sixties used three 550 CFM Holleys like my friend's stock 406" pictured at: http://members.aol.com/franangrenteria/frank_32.jpg God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ Ted wrote: > > You are a bigger troll. > > The trans in the 6 was the same weight as the V8, in fact the 6 was > heavier than the 318. No one gave a **** about weight then! They were > just making things tough. If they cared about Weight they would have > kept the aluminum block and made an aluminum head too. Actually they > would have made the 6 with a 4 speed and a three deuces carb setup as > the Aussies did. Chrysler made things awkward almost on purpose. When > DB made things awkward they had an excuse, engineering went off on a > tangent. > > The Ford flathead V8 was a piece of horse poop with three main > bearings and it stunk on ice. The four was a better engine although it > didn't have full pressure lube until the end. The American engines that > were well built were mostly the Packards and such, it wasn't until the > mid to late fifties US tech caught up with Europe in the "popular > price" cars. > > While I'm on the subject, who's the dumbass that came up with Three > Deuces....for V-8s? What a DUMB DUMB DUMB peckerwood-ass idea. Six > don't go into eight evenly. Not without a three or four foot plenum or > a turbocharger. > > But don't think I'm anti Mopar completely. The Chrysler electronic > ignition was the best and the 727 TorqueFlite the best auto trans there > was in its day. Rolls Royce wanted to use them but Mopar was > uncooperative. RR used THM's-but with THEIR electric shift controller > and their superb brake servo arrangement that worked, still does, very > well. On the whole, though, there's no question Chrysler engineering > was a dim shadow of its once proud past whereas DB has always been > absolutely first rate as an engineering firm. |
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From: L.W >> << Troll, How many V8s did Chrysler and Chevy have during Ford's flathead era? You really are stupid when it comes to engines and transmissions! << Subject: Be Grateful for DCX. At Least They Aren't FORD! Doesn't sound stupid to me. He said they were stupid, not that they weren't used. Three Deuces was available both in production and aftermarket setups and it never gave very uniform fuel/air mixtures. Chrysler built straight eights, not V8s, in the thirties. Chevys were sixes, but Pontiac, Buick, Olds, the "better" GM marques had straight eights and Cadillac had V-8, V-12 and V-16 engines. Chevrolet had splash oiling until 1953. Only pressure from independents and imports made Detroit get rid of sidevalve and splash oiled engines. Your antagonist is apparently more knowledgeable than you are, perhaps you should be quiet and learn something, Mr Hughes. |
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Maybe if you had a little experience in the progressive linkage of a
tri-power, and had read the post I was replying to, you wouldn't sounds so..... STUPID! I'll quote it again just for you: "You are a bigger troll. The trans in the 6 was the same weight as the V8, in fact the 6 was heavier than the 318. No one gave a **** about weight then! They were just making things tough. If they cared about Weight they would have kept the aluminum block and made an aluminum head too. Actually they would have made the 6 with a 4 speed and a three deuces carb setup as the Aussies did. Chrysler made things awkward almost on purpose. When DB made things awkward they had an excuse, engineering went off on a tangent. The Ford flathead V8 was a piece of horse poop with three main bearings and it stunk on ice. The four was a better engine although it didn't have full pressure lube until the end. The American engines that were well built were mostly the Packards and such, it wasn't until the mid to late fifties US tech caught up with Europe in the "popular price" cars. While I'm on the subject, who's the dumbass that came up with Three Deuces....for V-8s? What a DUMB DUMB DUMB peckerwood-ass idea. Six don't go into eight evenly. Not without a three or four foot plenum or a turbocharger. But don't think I'm anti Mopar completely. The Chrysler electronic ignition was the best and the 727 TorqueFlite the best auto trans there was in its day. Rolls Royce wanted to use them but Mopar was uncooperative. RR used THM's-but with THEIR electric shift controller and their superb brake servo arrangement that worked, still does, very well. On the whole, though, there's no question Chrysler engineering was a dim shadow of its once proud past whereas DB has always been absolutely first rate as an engineering firm." God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ GaryMason9385 wrote: > > Doesn't sound stupid to me. He said they were stupid, not that they weren't > used. Three Deuces was available both in production and aftermarket setups and > it never gave very uniform fuel/air mixtures. > > Chrysler built straight eights, not V8s, in the thirties. Chevys were sixes, > but Pontiac, Buick, Olds, the "better" GM marques had straight eights and > Cadillac had V-8, V-12 and V-16 engines. Chevrolet had splash oiling until > 1953. Only pressure from independents and imports made Detroit get rid of > sidevalve and splash oiled engines. Your antagonist is apparently more > knowledgeable than you are, perhaps you should be quiet and learn something, Mr > Hughes. |
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Ever notice trolls keep changing their names, therefo don't have
much of a track record? http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=2004&safe=off God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O http://www.billhughes.com/ GaryMason9385 wrote: > > Doesn't sound stupid to me. He said they were stupid, not that they weren't > used. Three Deuces was available both in production and aftermarket setups and > it never gave very uniform fuel/air mixtures. > > Chrysler built straight eights, not V8s, in the thirties. Chevys were sixes, > but Pontiac, Buick, Olds, the "better" GM marques had straight eights and > Cadillac had V-8, V-12 and V-16 engines. Chevrolet had splash oiling until > 1953. Only pressure from independents and imports made Detroit get rid of > sidevalve and splash oiled engines. Your antagonist is apparently more > knowledgeable than you are, perhaps you should be quiet and learn something, Mr > Hughes. |
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Bill,
The troll for got one thing, if Ford had purchased the Jeep company they all would require the optional heated tail gate. The heated tail gate would be required to keep your hands warm as you are pushing them off the road in the winter. The new Fords are not off road capable to the extent the Jeeps are hell none of the SUVs are. Sure you can drive the so called off road SUVs through a field or a dirt road but they can't take the heat so to speak. We were out on the trails several weeks ago when an Explorer broke one of its lower rear supports on the rear axle. If you look at not just Ford but all the major SUVs which tout off road capability the rear and front ends have much stuff hanging down below the axles which are just asking to be broke. It is just fact, can't help if Jeep has their stuff together for being at the top of the food chain for it's off road capability it always has. HarryS "L.W. ("ßill") Hughes III" > wrote in message ... > Ever notice trolls keep changing their names, therefo don't have > much of a track record? > http://groups-beta.google.com/groups...=2004&safe=off > God Bless America, ßill O|||||||O > http://www.billhughes.com/ > > > GaryMason9385 wrote: >> >> Doesn't sound stupid to me. He said they were stupid, not that they >> weren't >> used. Three Deuces was available both in production and aftermarket >> setups and >> it never gave very uniform fuel/air mixtures. >> >> Chrysler built straight eights, not V8s, in the thirties. Chevys were >> sixes, >> but Pontiac, Buick, Olds, the "better" GM marques had straight eights and >> Cadillac had V-8, V-12 and V-16 engines. Chevrolet had splash oiling >> until >> 1953. Only pressure from independents and imports made Detroit get rid of >> sidevalve and splash oiled engines. Your antagonist is apparently more >> knowledgeable than you are, perhaps you should be quiet and learn >> something, Mr >> Hughes. |
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Point is...to judge an automaker based on what was developed 60+ years ago
is rather asinine. He was bitching about Henry Ford's Model T drivetrains, for pete's sake. "GaryMason9385" > wrote in message ... > > From: L.W >> > << Troll, > How many V8s did Chrysler and Chevy have during Ford's flathead > era? > You really are stupid when it comes to engines and transmissions! << > Subject: Be Grateful for DCX. At Least They Aren't FORD! > > Doesn't sound stupid to me. He said they were stupid, not that they weren't > used. Three Deuces was available both in production and aftermarket setups and > it never gave very uniform fuel/air mixtures. > > Chrysler built straight eights, not V8s, in the thirties. Chevys were sixes, > but Pontiac, Buick, Olds, the "better" GM marques had straight eights and > Cadillac had V-8, V-12 and V-16 engines. Chevrolet had splash oiling until > 1953. Only pressure from independents and imports made Detroit get rid of > sidevalve and splash oiled engines. Your antagonist is apparently more > knowledgeable than you are, perhaps you should be quiet and learn something, Mr > Hughes. > > |
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